<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">jah, i understand your points. like i said, i'll take a look at the source and i may be able to fix some/all of these easily, but it could also get ugly and take a while....<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>thanks for the useful comments!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>dan<DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Aug 15, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Kassen wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 8/15/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">dan trueman</B> <<A href="mailto:dtrueman@princeton.edu">dtrueman@princeton.edu</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <DIV style=""><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV>hi, i just noticed this part of your email. i actually don't regard this as a bug, though i may be able to be convinced otherwise. a very slight modification to your code works fine: </DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR>Yes, I noticed that it does work with a slight modification, I am using exactly this right now.<BR> <BR>Either way; you made LiSa so if you say this is not a bug then clearly it isn't. I can just say why I was so surpised by it; I was manipulating some sequenced beats and needed a versatile sampler to remix and restructure those while improvising. I'm using a set of LiSa's and those are repeating quanitised fragments, reversing single hits and so on in various forms. For reversals I went about in the most straightforward way (as I saw it); setting the start point to the end of the buffer (which itself was quantised, back then, for saftety I now increased the maximum size and made the loop-point exlplicid) and setting the rate to -1. Perhaps all of this is naive but to me, unaware of the whole reasoning behind and internal structure of LiSa these seemed like reasonable asumptions. Then nothing happened and I had to eliminate possible causes. <BR><BR>I'm entirely open to the perspective that this is not a bug but in that case I would say that it's still behaviour that seems counter-intuitive to me and that -so far- I can't see the purpose of this behaviour. If this is how LiSa should act then based on my surprise at this I'd say it would be good to put a note about this in a future entry in the manual section on LiSa. <BR><BR>As I wrote before; I'm also a surprised at LiSa not playing back any sound when the start point of a reversed (and perhaps a forward as well?) playing voice is also the loop-end point while looping is switched off. This forces the programer to take the loop-point into account and place the loop-end point out of harm's way before starting non-looped playback. In a situation where quantised time periods are used it's not unlikely that start-points and loop-points will tend to end up in identical positions in consecutive forms of playback. <BR><BR>This too can be easily worked around but this too is surprising to me which is why I reported them.<BR></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <DIV style=""><DIV><SPAN class="q"></SPAN><DIV>i can understand that this might seem awkward, and i'll look at the source code to see if there might be a good way to change this that isn't too painful. in any case, you should be able to get consistent behavior with this work around. </DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR>Yes, thanks, it works fine.<BR> </DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><DIV style=""> <DIV><DIV>duration read and voiceGain is just about done, and should make it in to the next version, at least!</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR>Many thanks for your time and efford!<BR><BR>Yours,<BR>Kas.<BR> </DIV><BR> </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">chuck-users mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:chuck-users@lists.cs.princeton.edu">chuck-users@lists.cs.princeton.edu</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users">https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>