On 08/01/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">mike clemow</b> <<a href="mailto:gelfmuse@gmail.com">gelfmuse@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Okay... affine spaces. I'm going to have to wikipedia that one, i'm<br>afraid (high school math ain't doin' it for me here ;-) I understand<br>the analogy of vectors and point, though--I think that lends some
<br>credence to the idea that Chuck is already on the right path as far<br>how the dur and time types work.</blockquote><div><br>I see the analogy and I think it has a lot of merit.<br>I'm also, at the same time, sticking to my older point that ChucK is already muddying the waters and is in fact getting quite a bit of use from that, for example "now - (now % T) => now;", I find that line very beautiful, extremely useful and in direct opposition to looking at time objects are pure references to instances.
<br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I still have a few questions. The first is for Kassen: Why do you<br>want to know the VM start time?
</blockquote><div><br>To quote Nick Cave; "I can't see for the smoke so I poke around, I poke around"(etc)<br><br>At some moment I just tried it as the units are the same, it didn't work so I tried some more related stuff.
<br><br>I want to learn so I'm asking questions. ChucK is a great tool to put some bangin' beats on the proverbial floor and it's a nice experiment in syntax. I like both aspects a lot. At the core of ChucK's syntax is time and timing so any questions and -possible- incoherency's in working with those are quite interesting.
<br><br>I can find the birth of the VM and half a minuted after I found out how to I shared this with the list so now we all can, but I think some questions remain. I don't know about you but so far I have used "time" as a data type only rarely and I didn't know that much about it, I think we all know a bit more now. In a way there is a certain philosophical beauty to only being able to define time in relation to the "now" but as this can lead to some decidedly odd expressions I wonder if that's intentional and proper.
<br> <br>As for actual use, I could imagine that referring to absolute moments in time could become useful when writing a score, especially with some sort of sorting, Csound style. Maybe there are other better uses, maybe it's all quite academic? I'm already enthusiastic there are people that have a position on this too.
<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>I'm just thinking out loud...</blockquote><div><br>So was and am I. It's the ultimate in open-source!
<br> "thinking out loud" strikes me as a excelent slogan for a musical programing language.<br></div><br><br>Yours,<br>Kas.<br></div>