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<p>Hi Sheri.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>On windows, chuck gets installed into "c:\Program Files
(x86)\ChucK".</p>
<p>On linux, I do not know where to find it, but most likely
/user/bin or /usr/local/bin, but not being much of a linux user,
really not sure.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I noticed in your previous message you said you were visually
impaired. Are you using a screen reader? If so, Mini Audicle may
not be accessible; it is not on windows at all. If your using
magnification, you've probably got a good chance of making use of
it.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I also happen to be blind and use a screen reader on windows.
I've done chuck hacking with just the command line and a text
editor; it works pretty well. However, if you want to pass
parameters to your program you need to do everything either on the
command line, or hard code parameters into your source. For
experimentation it's fine, but for something which needs to be
used by others, it may become quite hard to manage as things get
complicated. The mini audical apparently allows you to create UI
widgets that can send parameters to a running chuck program, which
means you can vary things on the fly, which you cannot do just
running from the command line.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>All that said, it's a great language and you can learn a lot
about signal processing playing with chuck. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Complements to the chuck team for their continuous work on the
language over the years. It's probably the most accessible audio
processing language out there, mostly because it is just the
language; it does not require a complex GUI environment in which
to run.</p>
<p> <br>
</p>
<p>Hope this is helpful.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>-- Rich</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/15/2018 2:39 PM, Sheri W-J wrote:<br>
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<div>I promise to have real thinking questions later but for
now: </div>
<div>The program I installed (which seemed like my only choice)
was miniaudicle. The online documentation is prompting me to
run chuck from the command line... I know about the terminal
and I run perl from the command line so that would be OK ...
except these two things do not match up, and I see nothing
actually called chuck on my hard drive. What did I miss? </div>
<div>Thanks so much, </div>
<div>Sheri </div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
On Jan 15, 2018, at 6:47 AM, Casper Schipper <<a
href="mailto:casper.schipper@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">casper.schipper@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Sheri,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
I think the basic documentation "ChucK_manual.pdf" that one
gets when you download chuck is actually rather good, for
me, the clarity of that manual is what actually got me
hooked many years ago.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My 2 cents regarding the future of ChucK: I still run
it every day. For playing around with experimental DSP
that includes compositional ideas, I think it is still
really cool (I've tried Faust, but find it a bit to
focused on DSP). I also know ChucK was used at Sonology
institute in The Hague for teaching (some of the) DSP
classes. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have to say that I am running into its limitations
(especially that code can get very verbose, because of its
similarity to Java). I noticed some of my live-coded
programs got unreadable/uneditable because of it. I
especially miss functional programming syntax, which is
why I now use a translation script written in Python: <a
href="https://github.com/casperschipper/cisp"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/casperschipper/cisp</a>,
which takes a scheme like syntax and translates it into
chuck. Since the syntax of that is very different from
chuck, I could imagine it someday 'compiles' to another
(more efficient) language, but for now, ChucK is ok.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding performance, I sometimes schedule
supercollider events through OSC with chuck, this gives me
the nice strong-timing syntax of chuck and the efficiency
of supercollider server, but I guess for beginners this is
a bit messy construction.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Casper</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:42 AM,
Sheri W-J <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:Sheri@wells-jensen.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Sheri@wells-jensen.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hello, Folks, </div>
<div>Can someone tell me where to find the
YouAreReasonablySmartButHaving<wbr>TroubleGettingStarted
documentation? I'm having trouble getting past
the initial steps: I've done some Perl
programming but I could use maybe ... I guess if
I knew exactly what I needed, then I wouldn't
need it! </div>
<div>Is the book I see advertised on the Check
homepage my answer? If it is, is that book
available electronically anywhere? I'm blind, so
purchasing a hard copy would mean running it
through OCR which would introduce pesky errors. </div>
<div>Thanks for any tips. </div>
<div>Best, </div>
<div>Sheri </div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
On Jan 14, 2018, at 1:12 PM, Stuart Roland <<a
href="mailto:stuartroland@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">stuartroland@gmail.com</a>>
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<div style="font-family:'helvetica
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dir="auto">I can't speak to the future of
ChucK itself, but recently I have been
giving a lot of thought to MY future with
Chuck. First off, I love ChucK and all the
cool stuff it let's me create. I find it
much more intuitive than any other audio
programming language/environment I have used
and I can usually create something along the
lines of what I set out to create with it.
My problem with it is that I really want to
be able to create stand alone apps and
plugins with it, which I have not found any
way of doing. I would like for my software
to be usable by the average musician, not
just by programmer-musicians who can read
ChucK code (though we are a cool bunch). I
know ChucK Racks were just released (for
Macs,which I don't use) but as I understand,
this just let's you run ChucK scripts as a
plugin, and does not provide a way to wrap
up the code in any UI to distribute to
musicians who are used to sliders, knobs,
presets etc.</div>
<div style="font-family:'helvetica
neue','arial','sans',sans-serif;font-size:16px"
dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:'helvetica
neue','arial','sans',sans-serif;font-size:16px"
dir="auto">So I guess I have a few questions
for everyone/anyone here: is there a way to
use ChucK in a mobile or desktop app? Is
there a way to connect ChucK to a GUI that
is simple enough that non-programmers could
use it? If not, is there another language /
libraries for another language like python,
for example, that has some of the great,
intuitive design as ChucK? Is ChucK more of
an educational tool at this point and less
of a tool for developers?</div>
<div style="font-family:'helvetica
neue','arial','sans',sans-serif;font-size:16px"
dir="auto"><br>
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<div style="font-family:'helvetica
neue','arial','sans',sans-serif;font-size:16px"
dir="auto">Thanks for taking the time to
read. Happy audio/music making!</div>
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dir="auto"><br>
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<div style="font-family:'helvetica
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dir="auto">Stuart</div>
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1. Re: static strings and the future
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Subject: Re: [chuck-users] static strings
and the future<br>
<div dir="ltr">Hello all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I can't say much about the
development part itself, but in my
experience I've noticed that ChucK is
still being used widely at an academic
level. I understand it's being used in
a few universities that include
creative technology programs and
computer orchestra courses in their
curriculums, including CalArts,
Stanford, and VUW (New Zealand). Like
Mario mentioned, it is a core part of
a few Kadenze courses; I've been
involved as a producer/teaching
assistant in a couple of them and it
seems like it's a popular language
among students who are just learning
how to code, and musicians who would
like to develop more advanced
projects. Also, ChucK Racks popped up
a couple of months ago, which was
pretty exciting. So yeah, I think
there's quite a bit going on, but it
certainly would be nice to have a more
active community (I'm hoping to
contribute, and hopefully I'll get to
it before too long).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>About the <b>static strings</b> issue,
I think they're kind of in a shady
spot. Like Gonzalo mentioned, you
can't have static non-primitives in
your code, but there is a workaround
to this by declaring objects as a
reference and then initializing them
outside of the class. However, if you
try to do this with strings, it will
tell you that they're a primitive type
and it throws an error. The best hack
I've found for this is through arrays
(even if the size of the array is 1 in
many cases). Here's an example:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font color="#666666"><br>
</font></div>
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color="#666666">public<span
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</span>class<span
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</span><span
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<p
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco;min-height:17px"><font
color="#666666"><br>
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color="#666666"><span
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</span><span
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco;min-height:17px"><span
class="m_-4074869441512430398m_-2257932518693561201gmail-Apple-converted-space"><font
color="#666666"> </font></span></p>
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color="#666666"><span
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</span>public<span
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</span>static<span
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</span>void<span
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</span><span
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<p
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco"><font
color="#666666"><span
class="m_-4074869441512430398m_-2257932518693561201gmail-s1">
</span><span
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class="m_-4074869441512430398m_-2257932518693561201gmail-s1"> </span>@=><span
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<p
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco"><font
color="#666666"><span
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</span><span
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World"</span><span
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</span>@=><span
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</span>staticString[<span
class="m_-4074869441512430398m_-2257932518693561201gmail-s5">0</span>];</font></p>
<p
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco"><font
color="#666666"><span
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</span><span
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<p
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco;min-height:17px"><span
class="m_-4074869441512430398m_-2257932518693561201gmail-Apple-converted-space"><font
color="#666666"> </font></span></p>
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color="#666666"><span
class="m_-4074869441512430398m_-2257932518693561201gmail-s1">
</span>public<span
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</span>static<span
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</span>void<span
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</span><span
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<p
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco"><font
color="#666666"><span
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</span><<<<span
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class="m_-4074869441512430398m_-2257932518693561201gmail-s5">0</span>]<span
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<p
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</span><span
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<p
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color="#666666">}</font></p>
<p
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco;min-height:17px"><font
color="#666666"><br>
</font></p>
<p
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco"><font
color="#666666">Container.init();</font></p>
<p
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco"><font
color="#666666">Container.print();</font></p>
<p
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style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco;min-height:17px"><br>
</p>
</div>
<div><font color="#444444"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font color="#444444">You don't
really need an init() function, and
you can initialize the array on the
actual script, but I usually end up
with much larger classes, which is
why I like to keep things clean.</font></div>
<div><font color="#444444">Hope this
helps!</font></div>
<div><font color="#444444"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font color="#444444">Best,</font></div>
<div><font color="#444444"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font color="#444444">JP</font></div>
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14, 2018 at 12:19 AM, mario
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
I'd like to ask the same
question about the development
status.<br>
<br>
the only thing I can say is that
also if the development seems to
be a bit stuck, on the other
side I noticed that they're
pushing on the educational side
(see Kadenze courses), and if
you look at the github
repository, there's been some
update in the last 2 years.<br>
<br>
but as you guys said, it's
important to know what's the
plan ;)<br>
<br>
it's a couple of years I'm
really diving into ChucK and I
strongly believe that is a good
programming language which opens
up a lot of possibilities that
other languages don't.<br>
<br>
but at the same time I feel like
it's been a bit abandoned (maybe
that's a huge word, let's say
put aside ;) ) and of course
using a "tool" which has an
"uncertain future" it's not the
best thing.<br>
<br>
I wish I was able to offer my
contribution to the development,
but unfortunately I'm not really
into C/C++, I'm more a
"scripting language guy" :)<br>
<br>
btw, it would be nice to hear
what developers and/or other
users have to say about it.<br>
<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
<br>
Mario<span
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On 12/01/18 22:14, Gonzalo
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Yes, I'm wondering the same
thing. There's a Facebook
group (<a
href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/1593843507578422/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank"
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but it doesn't look super
active either.<br>
<br>
As far as static strings:
I'm pretty sure you just
can't have static
non-primitives. What are you
trying to achieve?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Gonzalo<br>
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On 13.01.18 00:20, Atte
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Hi<br>
<br>
I've been away for a long
time and surprised that
activity seems to have
slowed down a lot, both on
the development of new
releases chuck and the
life of this list. Am I
looking at the wrong
places? What's the status
of chuck development now
and in the future?<br>
<br>
I really like chuck
(mostly the timing and
sporking including
Machine.add()), should I
look other places for a
language that will privide
a more secure future? I'm
on linux and looked at
Csound, Super Collider and
PD, each has it's
challenges in how I work
(realtime generative and
algorithmic MIDI), python
seems to have realtime
problems (garbage
collection at random
points). Any idea what
former chuck users have
switched to now?<br>
<br>
Back to chuck! A problem
that I never been able to
solve, static strings:<br>
<br>
public class A {<br>
"b" @=> static
string B;<br>
<br>
public static void
C(){<br>
<<<B>>>;<br>
}<br>
}<br>
<br>
That throws an error, how
would I go about what I'm
trying to do?<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
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