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    <p>Hi Jordan,</p>
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    <p>Thanks a lot for that, I'll give it a try as soon as possible ;)</p>
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    <p>Cheers,</p>
    <p>Mario<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/12/2018 17:07, Jordan Orelli
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            <div dir="ltr">ok, I had a little time to look at this, so I
              wrote you a simple proxy server in Go: <a
                href="https://github.com/jordanorelli/tuntun"
                moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/jordanorelli/tuntun</a></div>
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            <div>there's a binary release here if you want to just have
              a downloadable binary to check it out:<a
                href="https://github.com/jordanorelli/tuntun/releases"
                moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/jordanorelli/tuntun/releases</a></div>
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            <div>and there's an example of how you'd use it from Chuck
              here: <a
                href="https://github.com/jordanorelli/tuntun/blob/master/ex/ex.ck"
                moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/jordanorelli/tuntun/blob/master/ex/ex.ck</a></div>
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            <div>this is a pretty straightforward proxying server to
              write. If you're not familiar with writing network
              servers, this is a good entry-level project for learning
              about it.</div>
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            <div>Chuck's subprocess facilities are, ... well, pretty
              weird. It doesn't seem like you get the pid of the spawned
              process; there's no way to signal it, so there's no way to
              kill it from Chuck. This example leaves you with a zombie
              process.</div>
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            <div>I'm very confused as to how it operates internally,
              because it blocks the entire Chuck VM ... <i>unless </i>you
              stick an ampersand at the end of your command, which seems
              to put the job in the background. It ... it kinda looks
              like it's calling exec to exec a bash shell in the <i>current
              </i>process? I'm ... a bit baffled by the behavior, to be
              honest, but I found a way to work it out.<br>
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            <div>Running it this way means that Chuck launches the
              proxying server for you and can tell the proxying server
              the ports to use. You could also run the server yourself
              outside of Chuck to not have to deal with the weirdness of
              Chuck's subprocessing facilities.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 10:59 AM Mark Cerqueira
          &lt;<a href="mailto:mark.cerqueira@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">mark.cerqueira@gmail.com</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Roger Dannenberg did some real-time music
                work and compared UDP and TCP. His findings may surprise
                you! See 4.2 UDP vs. TCP here: <a
                  href="https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rbd/papers/icmc01aura.pdf"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rbd/papers/icmc01aura.pdf</a>
                tl;dr - he ended up going with TCP with some tweaks to
                make it more timely.</div>
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              <div>Cheers!</div>
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              <div>mc</div>
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            <div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 12:47 PM Jordan Orelli
              &lt;<a href="mailto:jordanorelli@gmail.com"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jordanorelli@gmail.com</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
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                <div>I'm like ... 80% sure that there's no TCP-handling
                  facilities built in, but I may be wrong here. If there
                  is, I surely don't know about it.</div>
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                <div dir="ltr">Can you tell us a little more about your
                  use case?</div>
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                <div dir="ltr">The design goals of TCP and ChucK are
                  very different with respect to <i>time</i>. ChucK is
                  designed around guarantees about time and timeliness.
                  TCP is not designed around timeliness or latency in
                  general: TCP is designed around guarantees about
                  ordering (messages always appear in order) and
                  delivery (messages are guaranteed to be delivered).
                  Since every byte sent over a TCP socket has to be
                  eventually acknowledged, and all bytes have to be
                  processed in order, a stall in the network (a normal
                  occurrence) could mean later messages being delayed,
                  much like a traffic jam. It's not possible to have
                  timing <i>guarantees </i>with TCP.<br>
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                  <div>I'm not sure how to find it in the source code,
                    but maybe someone else here knows: does calling
                    Std.system create a new shell process for each
                    invocation? That would be a fairly inefficient way
                    to go about things. Also since you're piping to
                    another process, that's a new netcat process for
                    each invocation (so it's either one or two processes
                    per invocation), and a new TCP socket for every
                    invocation. TCP is <i>especially slow </i>at <i>the
                      very beginning of communication.</i></div>
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                  <div>If I were in your shoes, I would probably write a
                    separate program that acts as a server and serves an
                    OSC-based protocol. This server would take your
                    messages as OSC and translate them and then forward
                    them to the intended recipient over just one TCP
                    connection and continue to use that one connection
                    the whole time. It may or may not respond to your
                    ChucK program over OSC, depending on whether you
                    want the ChucK program to get responses to its
                    requests (probably not?).</div>
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                <div dir="ltr">On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 1:25 PM mario
                  buoninfante &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:mario.buoninfante@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mario.buoninfante@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
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                    <p>Hi,</p>
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                    <p>It seems like accessing the shell and use
                      "netcat" (on Unix) is a possible solution. Quite
                      an <i>exotic</i> workaround but better than
                      nothing I'd say.</p>
                    <p>Something like that seems to work:</p>
                    <p><i>// run ChucK with "--caution-to-the-wind"</i><i><br>
                      </i><i><br>
                      </i><i>"echo -ne '" =&gt; string prefix;</i><i><br>
                      </i><i>"' | netcat 127.0.0.1 3333 " =&gt; string
                        suffix;  // netcat &lt;target ip&gt; &lt;target
                        port&gt;</i><i><br>
                      </i><i><br>
                      </i><i>while(true)</i><i><br>
                      </i><i>{</i><i><br>
                      </i><i>  Math.random2(0,127) =&gt; int r;</i><i><br>
                      </i><i>  prefix + Std.itoa(r) + suffix =&gt;
                        string msg;</i><i><br>
                      </i><i>  Std.system(msg);</i><i><br>
                      </i><i><br>
                      </i><i>  second =&gt; now;</i><i><br>
                      </i><i>}</i></p>
                    <p><br>
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                    <p>Please, let me know if anyone has a better
                      solution.<br>
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                    <p><br>
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                    <p>Cheers,</p>
                    <p>Mario<br>
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                      01/12/2018 18:04, mario buoninfante wrote:<br>
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                    <blockquote type="cite">Hi, <br>
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                      <br>
                      I also tried opening a file in /dev/tcp/&lt;target
                      ip&gt;/&lt;target port&gt;, but it didn't work.
                      I'm on Ubuntu 16.04. Any idea? <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Cheers, <br>
                      <br>
                      Mario <br>
                      <br>
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                      On 30/11/2018 16:52, Mario Buoninfante wrote: <br>
                      <blockquote type="cite">Hi, <br>
                        <br>
                        Does anyone know if it's possible to use TCP
                        instead of UDP in ChucK? <br>
                        <br>
                        Cheers, <br>
                        Mario <br>
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