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static strings and the future
by Atte 25 Jan '18

25 Jan '18

Hi I've been away for a long time and surprised that activity seems to have slowed down a lot, both on the development of new releases chuck and the life of this list. Am I looking at the wrong places? What's the status of chuck development now and in the future? I really like chuck (mostly the timing and sporking including Machine.add()), should I look other places for a language that will privide a more secure future? I'm on linux and looked at Csound, Super Collider and PD, each has it's challenges in how I work (realtime generative and algorithmic MIDI), python seems to have realtime problems (garbage collection at random points). Any idea what former chuck users have switched to now? Back to chuck! A problem that I never been able to solve, static strings: public class A { "b" @=> static string B; public static void C(){ <<<B>>>; } } That throws an error, how would I go about what I'm trying to do? Cheers -- Atte http://atte.dk http://a773.dk

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Re: [chuck-users] [chuck-users new user: silly questions
by Casper Schipper 21 Jan '18

21 Jan '18

Dear Sheri, I think the basic documentation "ChucK_manual.pdf" that one gets when you download chuck is actually rather good, for me, the clarity of that manual is what actually got me hooked many years ago. My 2 cents regarding the future of ChucK: I still run it every day. For playing around with experimental DSP that includes compositional ideas, I think it is still really cool (I've tried Faust, but find it a bit to focused on DSP). I also know ChucK was used at Sonology institute in The Hague for teaching (some of the) DSP classes. I have to say that I am running into its limitations (especially that code can get very verbose, because of its similarity to Java). I noticed some of my live-coded programs got unreadable/uneditable because of it. I especially miss functional programming syntax, which is why I now use a translation script written in Python: https://github.com/casperschipper/cisp, which takes a scheme like syntax and translates it into chuck. Since the syntax of that is very different from chuck, I could imagine it someday 'compiles' to another (more efficient) language, but for now, ChucK is ok. Regarding performance, I sometimes schedule supercollider events through OSC with chuck, this gives me the nice strong-timing syntax of chuck and the efficiency of supercollider server, but I guess for beginners this is a bit messy construction. Best, Casper On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Sheri W-J <Sheri(a)wells-jensen.net> wrote: > Hello, Folks, > Can someone tell me where to find the YouAreReasonablySmartButHavingTroubleGettingStarted > documentation? I'm having trouble getting past the initial steps: I've done > some Perl programming but I could use maybe ... I guess if I knew exactly > what I needed, then I wouldn't need it! > Is the book I see advertised on the Check homepage my answer? If it is, is > that book available electronically anywhere? I'm blind, so purchasing a > hard copy would mean running it through OCR which would introduce pesky > errors. > Thanks for any tips. > Best, > Sheri > > > > On Jan 14, 2018, at 1:12 PM, Stuart Roland <stuartroland(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I can't speak to the future of ChucK itself, but recently I have been > giving a lot of thought to MY future with Chuck. First off, I love ChucK > and all the cool stuff it let's me create. I find it much more intuitive > than any other audio programming language/environment I have used and I can > usually create something along the lines of what I set out to create with > it. My problem with it is that I really want to be able to create stand > alone apps and plugins with it, which I have not found any way of doing. I > would like for my software to be usable by the average musician, not just > by programmer-musicians who can read ChucK code (though we are a cool > bunch). I know ChucK Racks were just released (for Macs,which I don't use) > but as I understand, this just let's you run ChucK scripts as a plugin, and > does not provide a way to wrap up the code in any UI to distribute to > musicians who are used to sliders, knobs, presets etc. > > So I guess I have a few questions for everyone/anyone here: is there a way > to use ChucK in a mobile or desktop app? Is there a way to connect ChucK to > a GUI that is simple enough that non-programmers could use it? If not, is > there another language / libraries for another language like python, for > example, that has some of the great, intuitive design as ChucK? Is ChucK > more of an educational tool at this point and less of a tool for developers? > > Thanks for taking the time to read. Happy audio/music making! > > Stuart > > On Jan 14, 2018 11:00 AM, <chuck-users-request(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu> > wrote: > >> Send chuck-users mailing list submissions to >> chuck-users(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> chuck-users-request(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> chuck-users-owner(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of chuck-users digest..." >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: static strings and the future (JP Yepez) >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: JP Yepez <jpyepezimc(a)gmail.com> >> To: ChucK Users Mailing List <chuck-users(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:53:30 +1300 >> Subject: Re: [chuck-users] static strings and the future >> Hello all, >> >> I can't say much about the development part itself, but in my experience >> I've noticed that ChucK is still being used widely at an academic level. I >> understand it's being used in a few universities that include creative >> technology programs and computer orchestra courses in their curriculums, >> including CalArts, Stanford, and VUW (New Zealand). Like Mario mentioned, >> it is a core part of a few Kadenze courses; I've been involved as a >> producer/teaching assistant in a couple of them and it seems like it's a >> popular language among students who are just learning how to code, and >> musicians who would like to develop more advanced projects. Also, ChucK >> Racks popped up a couple of months ago, which was pretty exciting. So yeah, >> I think there's quite a bit going on, but it certainly would be nice to >> have a more active community (I'm hoping to contribute, and hopefully I'll >> get to it before too long). >> >> About the *static strings* issue, I think they're kind of in a shady >> spot. Like Gonzalo mentioned, you can't have static non-primitives in your >> code, but there is a workaround to this by declaring objects as a reference >> and then initializing them outside of the class. However, if you try to do >> this with strings, it will tell you that they're a primitive type and it >> throws an error. The best hack I've found for this is through arrays (even >> if the size of the array is 1 in many cases). Here's an example: >> >> >> public class Container { >> >> >> static string staticString[]; >> >> >> >> public static void init() { >> >> new string[1] @=> staticString; >> >> "Hello World" @=> staticString[0]; >> >> } >> >> >> >> public static void print(){ >> >> <<< staticString[0] >>>; >> >> } >> >> } >> >> >> Container.init(); >> >> Container.print(); >> >> >> >> You don't really need an init() function, and you can initialize the >> array on the actual script, but I usually end up with much larger classes, >> which is why I like to keep things clean. >> Hope this helps! >> >> Best, >> >> JP >> >> >> *JP Yepez* >> New Media Artist - Musician - Researcher >> Website: http://www.jpyepez.com/ >> Email: jpyepezimc(a)gmail.com >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> <https://www.instagram.com/jpyepez/> <https://twitter.com/jpyepezmusic> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jp-yepez-063928123/> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 12:19 AM, mario buoninfante < >> mario.buoninfante(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'd like to ask the same question about the development status. >>> >>> the only thing I can say is that also if the development seems to be a >>> bit stuck, on the other side I noticed that they're pushing on the >>> educational side (see Kadenze courses), and if you look at the github >>> repository, there's been some update in the last 2 years. >>> >>> but as you guys said, it's important to know what's the plan ;) >>> >>> it's a couple of years I'm really diving into ChucK and I strongly >>> believe that is a good programming language which opens up a lot of >>> possibilities that other languages don't. >>> >>> but at the same time I feel like it's been a bit abandoned (maybe that's >>> a huge word, let's say put aside ;) ) and of course using a "tool" which >>> has an "uncertain future" it's not the best thing. >>> >>> I wish I was able to offer my contribution to the development, but >>> unfortunately I'm not really into C/C++, I'm more a "scripting language >>> guy" :) >>> >>> btw, it would be nice to hear what developers and/or other users have to >>> say about it. >>> >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> Mario >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/01/18 22:14, Gonzalo wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, I'm wondering the same thing. There's a Facebook group ( >>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1593843507578422/) but it doesn't look >>>> super active either. >>>> >>>> As far as static strings: I'm pretty sure you just can't have static >>>> non-primitives. What are you trying to achieve? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Gonzalo >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13.01.18 00:20, Atte wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> I've been away for a long time and surprised that activity seems to >>>>> have slowed down a lot, both on the development of new releases chuck and >>>>> the life of this list. Am I looking at the wrong places? What's the status >>>>> of chuck development now and in the future? >>>>> >>>>> I really like chuck (mostly the timing and sporking including >>>>> Machine.add()), should I look other places for a language that will privide >>>>> a more secure future? I'm on linux and looked at Csound, Super Collider and >>>>> PD, each has it's challenges in how I work (realtime generative and >>>>> algorithmic MIDI), python seems to have realtime problems (garbage >>>>> collection at random points). Any idea what former chuck users have >>>>> switched to now? >>>>> >>>>> Back to chuck! A problem that I never been able to solve, static >>>>> strings: >>>>> >>>>> public class A { >>>>> "b" @=> static string B; >>>>> >>>>> public static void C(){ >>>>> <<<B>>>; >>>>> } >>>>> } >>>>> >>>>> That throws an error, how would I go about what I'm trying to do? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> chuck-users mailing list >>> chuck-users(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu >>> https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> chuck-users mailing list >> chuck-users(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu >> https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users >> >> _______________________________________________ > chuck-users mailing list > chuck-users(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu > https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users > > > _______________________________________________ > chuck-users mailing list > chuck-users(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu > https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users > > -- Casper Schipper casper.schipper(a)gmail.com +31 6 52 322 590

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Re: [chuck-users] future of ChucK
by Stuart Roland 16 Jan '18

16 Jan '18

I can't speak to the future of ChucK itself, but recently I have been giving a lot of thought to MY future with Chuck. First off, I love ChucK and all the cool stuff it let's me create. I find it much more intuitive than any other audio programming language/environment I have used and I can usually create something along the lines of what I set out to create with it. My problem with it is that I really want to be able to create stand alone apps and plugins with it, which I have not found any way of doing. I would like for my software to be usable by the average musician, not just by programmer-musicians who can read ChucK code (though we are a cool bunch). I know ChucK Racks were just released (for Macs,which I don't use) but as I understand, this just let's you run ChucK scripts as a plugin, and does not provide a way to wrap up the code in any UI to distribute to musicians who are used to sliders, knobs, presets etc. So I guess I have a few questions for everyone/anyone here: is there a way to use ChucK in a mobile or desktop app? Is there a way to connect ChucK to a GUI that is simple enough that non-programmers could use it? If not, is there another language / libraries for another language like python, for example, that has some of the great, intuitive design as ChucK? Is ChucK more of an educational tool at this point and less of a tool for developers? Thanks for taking the time to read. Happy audio/music making! Stuart On Jan 14, 2018 11:00 AM, <chuck-users-request(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu> wrote: > Send chuck-users mailing list submissions to > chuck-users(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > chuck-users-request(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > chuck-users-owner(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of chuck-users digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: static strings and the future (JP Yepez) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: JP Yepez <jpyepezimc(a)gmail.com> > To: ChucK Users Mailing List <chuck-users(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:53:30 +1300 > Subject: Re: [chuck-users] static strings and the future > Hello all, > > I can't say much about the development part itself, but in my experience > I've noticed that ChucK is still being used widely at an academic level. I > understand it's being used in a few universities that include creative > technology programs and computer orchestra courses in their curriculums, > including CalArts, Stanford, and VUW (New Zealand). Like Mario mentioned, > it is a core part of a few Kadenze courses; I've been involved as a > producer/teaching assistant in a couple of them and it seems like it's a > popular language among students who are just learning how to code, and > musicians who would like to develop more advanced projects. Also, ChucK > Racks popped up a couple of months ago, which was pretty exciting. So yeah, > I think there's quite a bit going on, but it certainly would be nice to > have a more active community (I'm hoping to contribute, and hopefully I'll > get to it before too long). > > About the *static strings* issue, I think they're kind of in a shady > spot. Like Gonzalo mentioned, you can't have static non-primitives in your > code, but there is a workaround to this by declaring objects as a reference > and then initializing them outside of the class. However, if you try to do > this with strings, it will tell you that they're a primitive type and it > throws an error. The best hack I've found for this is through arrays (even > if the size of the array is 1 in many cases). Here's an example: > > > public class Container { > > > static string staticString[]; > > > > public static void init() { > > new string[1] @=> staticString; > > "Hello World" @=> staticString[0]; > > } > > > > public static void print(){ > > <<< staticString[0] >>>; > > } > > } > > > Container.init(); > > Container.print(); > > > > You don't really need an init() function, and you can initialize the array > on the actual script, but I usually end up with much larger classes, which > is why I like to keep things clean. > Hope this helps! > > Best, > > JP > > > *JP Yepez* > New Media Artist - Musician - Researcher > Website: http://www.jpyepez.com/ > Email: jpyepezimc(a)gmail.com > -------------------------------------------------------- > <https://www.instagram.com/jpyepez/> <https://twitter.com/jpyepezmusic> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jp-yepez-063928123/> > > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 12:19 AM, mario buoninfante < > mario.buoninfante(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to ask the same question about the development status. >> >> the only thing I can say is that also if the development seems to be a >> bit stuck, on the other side I noticed that they're pushing on the >> educational side (see Kadenze courses), and if you look at the github >> repository, there's been some update in the last 2 years. >> >> but as you guys said, it's important to know what's the plan ;) >> >> it's a couple of years I'm really diving into ChucK and I strongly >> believe that is a good programming language which opens up a lot of >> possibilities that other languages don't. >> >> but at the same time I feel like it's been a bit abandoned (maybe that's >> a huge word, let's say put aside ;) ) and of course using a "tool" which >> has an "uncertain future" it's not the best thing. >> >> I wish I was able to offer my contribution to the development, but >> unfortunately I'm not really into C/C++, I'm more a "scripting language >> guy" :) >> >> btw, it would be nice to hear what developers and/or other users have to >> say about it. >> >> >> cheers, >> >> Mario >> >> >> >> On 12/01/18 22:14, Gonzalo wrote: >> >>> Yes, I'm wondering the same thing. There's a Facebook group ( >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1593843507578422/) but it doesn't look >>> super active either. >>> >>> As far as static strings: I'm pretty sure you just can't have static >>> non-primitives. What are you trying to achieve? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Gonzalo >>> >>> >>> On 13.01.18 00:20, Atte wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I've been away for a long time and surprised that activity seems to >>>> have slowed down a lot, both on the development of new releases chuck and >>>> the life of this list. Am I looking at the wrong places? What's the status >>>> of chuck development now and in the future? >>>> >>>> I really like chuck (mostly the timing and sporking including >>>> Machine.add()), should I look other places for a language that will privide >>>> a more secure future? I'm on linux and looked at Csound, Super Collider and >>>> PD, each has it's challenges in how I work (realtime generative and >>>> algorithmic MIDI), python seems to have realtime problems (garbage >>>> collection at random points). Any idea what former chuck users have >>>> switched to now? >>>> >>>> Back to chuck! A problem that I never been able to solve, static >>>> strings: >>>> >>>> public class A { >>>> "b" @=> static string B; >>>> >>>> public static void C(){ >>>> <<<B>>>; >>>> } >>>> } >>>> >>>> That throws an error, how would I go about what I'm trying to do? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> chuck-users mailing list >> chuck-users(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu >> https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > chuck-users mailing list > chuck-users(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu > https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users > >

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ChucK Getting Started (RE to Sheri W-J)
by Perry Cook 15 Jan '18

15 Jan '18

Hey Sheri, The book is available in EBook form from the publisher (Manning) here: https://www.manning.com/books/programming-for-musicians-and-digital-artists There is also an intro to programming in ChucK video course on Kadenze here: https://www.kadenze.com/courses/introduction-to-programming-for-musicians-a… Hope this helps, PRC > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 04:42:12 -0500 > From: Sheri W-J <Sheri(a)wells-jensen.net> > To: ChucK Users Mailing List <chuck-users(a)lists.cs.princeton.edu> > Subject: Re: [chuck-users] [chuck-users new user: silly questions > Message-ID: <8C078E78-EA41-4A6C-94E2-A9C55DD513FB(a)Wells-Jensen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, Folks, > Can someone tell me where to find the YouAreReasonablySmartButHavingTroubleGettingStarted documentation? I'm having trouble getting past the initial steps: I've done some Perl programming but I could use maybe ... I guess if I knew exactly what I needed, then I wouldn't need it! > Is the book I see advertised on the Check homepage my answer? If it is, is that book available electronically anywhere? I'm blind, so purchasing a hard copy would mean running it through OCR which would introduce pesky errors. > Thanks for any tips. > Best, > Sheri

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Critter & Guitari Organelle OS3
by mario.buoninfante 10 Jan '18

10 Jan '18

Hi Everybody, I just read an article about the new Organelle OS by Critter & Guitari, and it seems like they will support "all kind of patch formats", not only Pure Data. On their website the mentioned SuperCollider. Does anybody know if ChucK will get involved too? Cheers, Mario Sent from my Wiko ROBBY

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Organelle OS3
by mario buoninfante 01 Jan '18

01 Jan '18

Hi everybody, I just read about Organelle OS 3 release by Critter and Guitari (https://www.critterandguitari.com/blogs/news/organelle-os-3), where they say, I quote: /The Organelle is no longer for only Pd patches and will load patches written in other languages (e.g. SuperCollider)/ I was wondering if they will include ChucK too, that would be great :D Does anybody know anything about that? cheers, Mario

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