> About the filter problem: does it mean that currently no one is using chuck
 > for classic sutractive synthesis patches like:
 >
 > Oscillators -> Filters (cuttof driven by an ADSR) -> Amplifier (Level driven
 > by an ADSR) ?
 >
 > Are people just not doing this kind of routing in ChucK yet, or are there
 > workarounds that avoid the filters going unstable when modulated in this
 > way?
 >
 > (Sorry to keep on about this, but I'm really keen to keep using ChucK if at
 > all possible)
 >
 > 2010/2/17 mike clemow <
michaelclemow@gmail.com>
 >>
 >> OT:
 >>
 >> 2010/2/16 Andrew C. Smith <
andrewchristophersmith@gmail.com>
 >>>
 >>> Seems that ChucK can crash brains, not just computers!
 >>
 >> Chuck's filter code is actually written in Sumerian.  The Goddess Asherah
 >> created Chuck to erase peoples' minds and make them worship her.  The sound
 >> is actually a nam-shub and if you hear it, you will lose your wits and start
 >> mumbling Sumerian syllables...
 >>
 >> (sorry, i couldn't help this outburst.  i finished the book just a few
 >> short weeks ago.  ;)
 >>
 >> -Mike
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>>
 >>> Actually, my other solution was to run the audio through Jack and into
 >>> Logic, where I can do a much better job of controlling the volume. This
 >>> actually doesn't distort (since the distortion comes at the dac level), and
 >>> changes the sound entirely. Anyway, just an option.
 >>> -Andrew
 >>> On Feb 16, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Kassen wrote:
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> 2010/2/16 Stefan Blixt <
stefan.blixt@gmail.com>
 >>>>
 >>>> If you do SinOsc s=> dac and the 100.0 => s.gain, are you then able to
 >>>> blow a speaker on a Mac laptop even if it's main volume is turned down?
 >>>> That's the curious thing to me, how the filter messes up so badly it makes
 >>>> my MacBook's speaker scream even though the volume is almost down to zero.
 >>>>
 >>>
 >>> 100? Try something like this value for a output; 242210436022272.0
 >>> That's a actual recorded output of .last(). I'm not sure what would
 >>> happen if something of that volume would be played back on real speakers;
 >>> there is probably a UN convention against that kind of thing ;-).
 >>>
 >>> From what I understand of the situation you wouldn't blow the speaker. If
 >>> Apple was smart they put in a pre-amp that's slightly smaller than the
 >>> maximum load of the speaker yet slightly over-speced for the output of the
 >>> dac to keep repairs down. But yes; apparently you will can get a very high
 >>> volume even though the (software) fader is down.
 >>> This is what we know.
 >>> Then from that I speculated (and unless something more credible comes by
 >>> I think it's a good theory) that Apple is doing everything in float (with
 >>> virtually unlimited headroom for practical applications), setting the master
 >>> volume with a floating point multiplication, and handing the resultant value
 >>> to the dac where inevitably it will be turned into a plain integer. In this
 >>> case that integer will be the highest volume the poor little dac can take.
 >>> If that's not it I can't imagine why +/- some 15 digit number would have a
 >>> higher amplitude than +/-1, as a final output, post master fader.
 >>> This is cheap compared to tweaking the voltage on the final hardware amp
 >>> (which would always preserve the full bit-range) and probably sounds a lot
 >>> better than going integer and throwing away a lot of bits at low volume, but
 >>> it fails to take into account that we may not just turn the volume down for
 >>> a more pleasant listen but also to protect our ears. Combine that with with
 >>> potentially very sensitive studio or DJ headphones and you have a situation
 >>> that may lead to hearing damage. I know that my own pro DJ headphones will
 >>> output a lot more volume than my mid-range earbuds at the same volume
 >>> setting for a headphone jack.
 >>>
 >>> IMHO this would be a oversight by Apple and I'm a bit surprised there
 >>> hasn't been a storm of practical joke mails aimed at OSX users featuring
 >>> videoclips embedding floating-point audio. I'd offer at least a optional
 >>> output limiter like what has been proposed for mp3 players. I don't believe
 >>> in those for protecting children's ears through mandatory regulation because
 >>> of the differences in headphone output volume, but for user-set protection
 >>> it might be a good idea. Of course ChucK is a bit more likely to cause this
 >>> sort of issue than the average off-the-shelf audio player.
 >>> Here is the original topic if you'd like to try to reproduce the findings
 >>> so far; 
http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37921 >>> Yours,
 >>> Kas.
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