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tempjayren＠gmail.com

11 Dec 2011 11 Dec '11

4:43 a.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 well, i've had the same version of chuck for quite some time and am afraid i have missed an announcement about a new release sort of thing. this was the precompiled windows binary that i grabbed, because i had no choice, so i'mrunning version 1.2.1.3 dracula. an expression i've heard in this neighborhood that seems to apply to someone for example when they are out of funds for the rest of the month and that is amusing because it fits here is "i am stuck like chuck." seems odd though really, because chuck doesn't seem particularly stuck in what it can do. - -- Zagreus sits inside your head, Zagreus lives among the dead. Zagreus sees you in your bed, and eats you when you're sleeping. Zagreus at the end of days, Zagreus lies all other ways. Zagreus comes when time's a maze, and all of history's weeping. Zagreus taking time apart, Zagreus fears the hero heart. Zagreus seeks the final part, the reward that he is reaping. Zagreus sings when all is lost, Zagreus takes all those he's crossed. Zagreus wins and all it costs, the hero's hearts he's keeping. Zagreus seeks the hero's ship, Zagreus needs the web to rip. Zagreus sups time at a drip, and life aside he's sweeping. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO5HssAAoJEIaKvi7tbzRHv6UH/2n0+V94btkfsUmiLk95cFWP fCiV1OsxW6gh6L7X5lYlIXab7IWXZA9MnCKieCODDUvGriIzMXm0ikwoztFy8v0G 9bll1h8G7usf+c03qVeU/oIR1wRrYcnYi6P3q/GEtX4s/BzxGNEtPdqm3xb7pTsb 3vPS0n7ReETe3B/rGGAaxvE8M3OcE9T/eCj9F1DaFNgzDfBGcjuEPpjg0ML+teru l4yWbkKqKO8CYta1jXkiYLXeh/jUWyCXpt3+pgeC2ZSRi9O5Lkcvyl6Qlr2twxSZ MktpezCUBfjw//fgqcuMoalnWEcdn2owkAaJ2u62Fr2x9cywyin6NaGFrz2YR9Y= =qAGY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Kassen

11 Dec 11 Dec

5:20 a.m.

Hi, Tempjayren,

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well, i've had the same version of chuck for quite some time and am afraid i have missed an announcement about a new release sort of thing. this was the precompiled windows binary that i grabbed, because i had no choice, so i'mrunning version 1.2.1.3 dracula.

Yes, that's the last version for download. There is a 1.2.1.4-beta that you could try if you'd fancy compiling from SVN but for general purpose usage I don't think there is much use for that. I'm not sure how that relates to the emergency release for OSX that fixes the issues in Lion; I think that one is primarily focussed on getting realtime sound to work again on OSX, that doesn't sound like it'd benefit you. Yours, Kas.

tempjayren＠gmail.com

7:11 a.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 oh goodness. i've never played with svn, i don't even know what i would need for that. so it is a contest between 'what does new beta give me' and 'just how complex anyway is svn' am thinking svn complexity will win out and i'll just be happy with 1.2.1.3 On 12/11/2011 5:20 AM, Kassen wrote:

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Hi, Tempjayren,

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well, i've had the same version of chuck for quite some time and am afraid i have missed an announcement about a new release sort of thing. this was the precompiled windows binary that i grabbed, because i had no choice, so i'mrunning version 1.2.1.3 dracula.

Yes, that's the last version for download. There is a 1.2.1.4-beta that you could try if you'd fancy compiling from SVN but for general purpose usage I don't think there is much use for that. I'm not sure how that relates to the emergency release for OSX that fixes the issues in Lion; I think that one is primarily focussed on getting realtime sound to work again on OSX, that doesn't sound like it'd benefit you.

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Kassen

2:49 p.m.

On 11/12/2011, tempjayren@gmail.com wrote:

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oh goodness. i've never played with svn, i don't even know what i would need for that. so it is a contest between 'what does new beta give me' and 'just how complex anyway is svn' am thinking svn complexity will win out and i'll just be happy with 1.2.1.3

For me it was a matter of installing SVN and typing a command. I imagine the Windows version will have a graphical interface.

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From there on you need a C++ compiler (on Windows MS has one, I think it was called "visual studio") and compiling the source.

So far I didn't notice anything that would be immediately useful for general usage (but maybe there are undocumented bits). If I were you I'd simply wait a bit, I heard nice things are comming ;-). Also; it's not like the current version doesn't have many nice things to play/work with. Yours, Kas.

tempjayren＠gmail.com

3:18 p.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hmm. should i admit that it is more play than work since you said play/work? i had csound as well, though while that ran, it sounded all garbled, not nice. so csound went the way of the uninstall. i like having chuck in my toybox. On 12/11/2011 2:49 PM, Kassen wrote:

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On 11/12/2011, tempjayren@gmail.com wrote:

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oh goodness. i've never played with svn, i don't even know what i would need for that. so it is a contest between 'what does new beta give me' and 'just how complex anyway is svn' am thinking svn complexity will win out and i'll just be happy with 1.2.1.3

For me it was a matter of installing SVN and typing a command. I imagine the Windows version will have a graphical interface. From there on you need a C++ compiler (on Windows MS has one, I think it was called "visual studio") and compiling the source.

So far I didn't notice anything that would be immediately useful for general usage (but maybe there are undocumented bits). If I were you I'd simply wait a bit, I heard nice things are comming ;-). Also; it's not like the current version doesn't have many nice things to play/work with.

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Kassen

4:24 p.m.

On 11/12/2011, tempjayren@gmail.com wrote:

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hmm. should i admit that it is more play than work since you said play/work?

Well, I said "play/work" because I don't know what you are using ChucK for. Some people will be profesional musicians, some might need sound FX for some job, or use ChucK to measure sound-based phenomena... others might be students or simply enthusiasts about sound or unusual programing paradigms. Depending on that people will be more or less inclined to get their hands dirty(er). After all one person's "boring evening dealing with compilers" is a adventure and exploration for another... Personally I hope that in all cases we can have a component of "play", nobody said serious matters can't be fun too. My own CSound install worked fine, but for me CSound never became "fun" and so I was less inclined to work at it ;-). Cheers, Kas.

tempjayren＠gmail.com

9:03 p.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 i'm wondering if its garbledy thing was from the fact this computer might not be powerful enough to make it happy where chuck was just all kinds of happy, ran just fine. csound might have been doing something that takes up a lot more power that my computer didn't have to give. On 12/11/2011 4:24 PM, Kassen wrote:

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On 11/12/2011, tempjayren@gmail.com wrote:

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hmm. should i admit that it is more play than work since you said play/work?

Well, I said "play/work" because I don't know what you are using ChucK for. Some people will be profesional musicians, some might need sound FX for some job, or use ChucK to measure sound-based phenomena... others might be students or simply enthusiasts about sound or unusual programing paradigms.

Depending on that people will be more or less inclined to get their hands dirty(er). After all one person's "boring evening dealing with compilers" is a adventure and exploration for another...

Personally I hope that in all cases we can have a component of "play", nobody said serious matters can't be fun too.

My own CSound install worked fine, but for me CSound never became "fun" and so I was less inclined to work at it ;-).

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Atte André Jensen

13 Dec 13 Dec

4:23 a.m.

On 12/12/2011 03:03 AM, tempjayren@gmail.com wrote:

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csound might have been doing something that takes up a lot more power that my computer didn't have to give.

Just my .001 on csound vs chuck: I always loved csound! It's well documented, and runs very, very efficiently! I used it live for a couple of years as a midi controlled softsynth. However I never finished a single composition in csound, because of it's score format. With blue as a front end it gets a lot better. I always loved chuck! It's also very well documented, but it's much slower. I build a live system entirely in chuck, and played gigs with it, but it was taxing my computer to the extend that the system became unstable. I'm now redoing my chuck system, but using renoise (closed source, multi-platform tracker) as audio engine, controlled with OSC from chuck. It looks really promissing, renoise is really fast, offers all those nice gui things (crossfade samples, multi sampled instruments, a mixer, lots of effects) and chuck offers... well everything else :-) -- Atte http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk

Kassen

9:39 a.m.

On 13/12/2011, Atte André Jensen wrote:

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I always loved csound! It's well documented, and runs very, very efficiently! I used it live for a couple of years as a midi controlled softsynth.

I was a bit surprised by the note about CSound being more demanding than ChucK too, there is something going wrong there, I imagine. After all CSound was originally build for computers a LOT slower than what we have now....

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With blue as a front end it gets a lot better.

Blue I never tried, but I very much like the concept. I could imagine something like that being in ChucK's future too; the OTF examples already hint at a sort of "Ableton-like" work-process with their syncing, I don't see why we couldn't have that extended visually with clips and some sort of live editor for jamming. Kas.

tempjayren＠gmail.com

14 Dec 14 Dec

9:27 p.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 it was just a thought that csound might have been doing something particularly power hungry. i noticed that a lot of the audio it would make for me was a bit choppy, like it was going through a lot to make that for me to listen to. never heard the chop with chuck. of course i have to run a speech synthesizer program, because without that the computer becomes a very heavy paper weight, though that's never slowed anything down for me. and the speech itself never chops, or rarely, like say momentarily if the computer is doing something that i would call nonblocking that it devotes everything to, then and only then will the speech kind of chop a bit, like when it is connecting to a host i want a webpage from, when the page is up, the speech is smooth again. when it runs an email check there's maybe a second of chop, then smoothness again. replacing or turning off the speechware, not an option. this particular one, free, and that's about the budget i have to work with. On 12/13/2011 9:39 AM, Kassen wrote:

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On 13/12/2011, Atte André Jensen wrote:

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I always loved csound! It's well documented, and runs very, very efficiently! I used it live for a couple of years as a midi controlled softsynth.

I was a bit surprised by the note about CSound being more demanding than ChucK too, there is something going wrong there, I imagine. After all CSound was originally build for computers a LOT slower than what we have now....

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With blue as a front end it gets a lot better.

Blue I never tried, but I very much like the concept. I could imagine something like that being in ChucK's future too; the OTF examples already hint at a sort of "Ableton-like" work-process with their syncing, I don't see why we couldn't have that extended visually with clips and some sort of live editor for jamming.

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