http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/doc/examples/basic/foo.ck That's what I'm talking about. Here you can find "hi" and "hi.cap" . Thank you for your answer! On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:23 PM, forrest curo wrote:

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Alberto Alassio < alberto.alassio@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi guys this is my first thread because I've download Chuck just yesterday night and I'm trying to make something with this today (yes we can!). Really nice world! I read something from the manual ( the beginning tutorial) and also downloaded chuck pages where objects and other things about language are written. The question is : how can I understand every single line of Chuck? And I'm gonna make an example: foo.ck example. I was looking at this and also to other ones to understand how they work but... I saw that there are objects that are explained in Chuck homepage (sinOsc, delayD, etc) but where can I find informations about Std? Hi?How can I understand what does Hi.cap mean? These are just examples, is there a place where every command is explained? Or maybe (and probably) it's just me not so good searcher?

Thank you everybody

Wow, it's nice to have one that I can handle. Std is not about unsanitary fun; it's standard functions you can read about in chapter 18 of the manual http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/release/files/chuck_manual.pdf.

I can't tell which "foo.ck" you're pointing to; I assume it's one of those in the tutorial but if you want to ask about it, it'll work better to copy the puzzling lines into the message[?]

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Thank you very much! And now my question is: How did you get to know that that object (or command line, I don't know) - I'm referring to younameit - has got that use? Danke Schon On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:18 PM, forrest curo wrote:

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http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/doc/examples/basic/foo.ck That's what I'm talking about. Here you can find "hi" and "hi.cap" . Thank you for your answer!

"// an array [ 0, 2, 4, 7, 9, 11 ] @=> int hi[];

while( true ) { Std.mtof( 45 + Math.random2(0,3) * 12 + hi[Math.random2(0,hi.cap()-1)] ) => s.freq;" ?

Yeah, Math.random2() is one of the built-in functions and "you-name-it.cap" would be the number of elements in "you-name-it[]"

so you'd be picking a random element of the array "hi", getting the frequency of that as a midi note, putting it into the oscillator ("s") you started a few lines back.

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Yes, I've founded it in the Tutorial but there is no explanation about the function you-name-it. Now that you have explained to me it's clearer and I've also found another example using that function in the same way. But, as Metallica sing, the question still remains: How did you know that function? Where have you read about? I cannot find informations about ! Thank you very much On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:20 PM, forrest curo wrote:

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Thank you very much! And now my question is: How did you get to know that that object (or command line, I don't know) - I'm referring to younameit - has got that use?

My mistake: I'd thought you'd found the "foo.ck" (& other examples) in the tutorial http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/doc/learn/!

That should give you a simpler, clearer start! -- and if questions remain afterwards, you have my email address with this message.

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I was trying to open the otf examples you told me and I got a question about period. what does T - (now % T) => now; means? When we just make something like a sineosc and we want it to sound for 2 seconds we just write 2::second => now; and when we make it start it sounds for 2 seconds from now till now. RIght? So why wouldn't must be the same for period? What am I supposed to do? On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Alberto Alassio

wrote:

Thank you very much for your answer. i've just downloaded that thesis you were talking about . I will come back with other questions!

Danke Schon

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Kassen wrote:

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On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 03:06:59PM +0200, Alberto Alassio wrote:

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Hi guys this is my first thread because I've download Chuck just yesterday night and I'm trying to make something with this today (yes we can!).

Of course you can! Most people turn language into sound and meaning from a very young age. Can't be that hard ;-)

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Really nice world! I read something from the manual ( the beginning tutorial) and also downloaded chuck pages where objects and other things about language are written. The question is : how can I understand every single line of Chuck?

That's a rather broad question, great.

My take;

Start with the examples that came with your download, I particularly like the "otf...." series of examples in the "examples" dir. Together they form a techno song with a implied invitation to remix. Change stuff, the worst that can happen is that it crashes. If you make a mess; re-download and make a backup this time. Those cover a wide range of topics in a deceptively fun way,

Many things can be understood through practical experimentation. Then there is the website that has documentation and the manual pdf that has explanations on the way it works and very useful appendices. Those can serve to explain bits that appear tricky or as a way to look for new interesting things as you start to elaborate on the given material on your own.

This is, of course, a somewhat scattershot -if fun- method, and it could be that you'd like a higher-scope look at the how and why. For that I recommend this; http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~gewang/thesis.html That's Ge's Thesis and explains the method behind the madness.

All of those will at some point fail to satisfy, maybe some bit of info got misplaced, maybe you overlooked something that seemed like a detail at first. Then you send a mail to this list, explaining where and how you ran into a issue. Preferably you'd paste the most simple code that causes the issue and explain clearly what you were hoping for or expecting. Then we (you get a free scene with your free software) try to figure out what the issue is. Everyone who could answer a question like this got to that point by experimenting and by asking questions; don't be shy, if you tried to look on your own and couldn't find it it's worth a mail.

Most importantly; have fun, that's what it's there for, as far as I'm concerned.

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Now it does!it didnt' just because I didn't know anything about this remainder ( I was thinking you made a mistake and you wanted to write reminder and I was saying by myself, a reminder for what? ) but then i checked it out on the web and wiki helped me. yes its' a little complicated but yes I understand , in a easier way it is what happens when you push the button in Ableton live and the clip waits to start with another. It's a good way to connect different patches together and mix them as you like. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Kassen wrote:

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I was trying to open the otf examples you told me and I got a question about period. what does

T - (now % T) => now;

means?

The "%" operator means "modulo". X modulo Y means; the remainder of dividing X by Y. So; "9 % 4" will be 1. Check?

What we are doing here is that we start counting in increments of T since time 0. This line of code makes us wait for the next beat, being a integer multiple of T. After all; (now % T) must be the time since the last "beat", so "T - (now % T)" refers to the amount of time to go until the next beat. The total expression will then advance time until the next beat, more or less like you will wait a bit until falling in on your guitar when entering a jam session.

That is actually exactly what happens in these examples; each file will wait until the next beat, then start playing, so because they are all aware of T and know we start at 0 they do not need to communicate with each other about this.

Make sense now?

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Not using Live but I think I will to control what I'm doing in Max....I'm learning Max as well but I really like to get something about Chuck also, and for i'm a bit into jazz music, I find the idea of improvisation in real time with chuck tilde object really amazing. But now, just learning, I'm a beginner, no fun just hard work! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3jX4WhIW6o happy chuckin' 2 u On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Kassen wrote:

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Now it does!it didnt' just because I didn't know anything about this remainder ( I was thinking you made a mistake and you wanted to write reminder and I was saying by myself, a reminder for what? ) but then i checked it out on the web and wiki helped me.

I can understand; after our first calculus lessons and we learn about decimals we tend not to encounter remainders formally, certainly not as something we'd like to see abbreviated as a single symbol. Once you get it though, that line illustrates many of the nice things of ChucK's way of dealing with time... and of course stuff that is basically like modulo operator is all around us in our day to day life.

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yes its' a little complicated but yes I understand , in a easier way it is what happens when you push the button in Ableton live and the clip waits to start with another.

Exactly. Well, starting a .ck file isn't that much harder than dragging in a wave into Live, I'd argue... ChucK just invites you to also look into the *how*, which is a bit more challenging.

If you like Live (I personally think it is quite nice, though I stopped buying upgrades) you might like to see whether you can implement Ableton's quantise settings in ChucK, then move on to stuff like those "follow actions" that Live has. That kind of stuff is quite possible. From there on you can get more fancy.... :-)

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Me again. Looking at the examples, now I'm messing with Chirp. I cannot understand what Tinc and Inc are. I think that tinc is something like the time of every step from a freq to another one, is it right? And Inc is how much freq increases according to tinc's time, is it correct? But what is -count-? A counter of what? And what " while ( count < steps ) " and " 1+ => count " mean? http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/doc/examples/basic/chirp.ck thanks!

Ok, to me it wasn't so easy to understand count < steps. so it counts till the steps end, right? And in this patch count refers to steps but it is also the one who makes the freq increases by inc, I mean, for each count we have, then the freq increases. Is it correct? Thank you Kas, it always helps! On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Kassen wrote:

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Me again. Looking at the examples, now I'm messing with Chirp. I cannot understand what Tinc and Inc are. I think that tinc is something like the time of every step from a freq to another one, is it right? And Inc is how much freq increases according to tinc's time, is it correct?

That seems to be exactly right, yes.

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But what is -count-? A counter of what? And what " while ( count < steps ) " and " 1+ => count " mean?

"count" refers to the current step. It starts out as zero and increases until the desired number of steps has been reached. "1 +=> count" adds one to the "count" and also stores the result back in "count".

It is not so clear to me why a float is used here for "count", instead of a integer, which would make more sense and enable us to simply increment by using;

count++;

Better yet would be a "for" loop. Maybe this example is deliberately doing unusual stuff to encourage people like you to spend some time picking it apart and figuring it out? It might also be very old and pre-dating something like comparing floats to integers. To me it looks like Ge's style which would make sense in both cases.

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I'd like to point out that "count" is a variable name, not a built-in ChucK thing. In this example, "count" is just the name someone has chosen to keep track of a number that keeps increasing by 1. You might want to look at the ChucK tutorials I made for our Intro to Electronic Music course here at the University of Cincinnati. There are 7 tutorials that start from a simple SinOsc and introduce variables, functions, STK instruments, and sporking. They were intended as notes to accompany the class but they might be useful. I uploaded them here: https://github.com/jwmatthys/chuck-tutorials Joel On 09/30/2012 04:08 PM, Alberto Alassio wrote:

Ok, to me it wasn't so easy to understand count < steps. so it counts till the steps end, right? And in this patch count refers to steps but it is also the one who makes the freq increases by inc, I mean, for each count we have, then the freq increases. Is it correct? Thank you Kas, it always helps!

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On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 09:41:13PM +0200, Alberto Alassio wrote: > Me again. > Looking at the examples, now I'm messing with Chirp. > I cannot understand what Tinc and Inc are. I think that tinc is something > like the time of every step from a freq to another one, is it right? > And Inc is how much freq increases according to tinc's time, is it correct? > That seems to be exactly right, yes.

> But what is -count-? A counter of what? And what " while ( count < steps ) > " and " 1+ => count " mean?

"count" refers to the current step. It starts out as zero and increases until the desired number of steps has been reached. "1 +=> count" adds one to the "count" and also stores the result back in "count".

It is not so clear to me why a float is used here for "count", instead of a integer, which would make more sense and enable us to simply increment by using;

count++;

Better yet would be a "for" loop. Maybe this example is deliberately doing unusual stuff to encourage people like you to spend some time picking it apart and figuring it out? It might also be very old and pre-dating something like comparing floats to integers. To me it looks like Ge's style which would make sense in both cases.

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On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 05:14:35PM -0400, Joel Matthys wrote:

I'd like to point out that "count" is a variable name, not a built-in ChucK thing. In this example, "count" is just the name someone has chosen to keep track of a number that keeps increasing by 1.

Oh, yes, that is right. Another thing is that the "*=>" operator is not some magical unique thing, but part of a larger set. So; float count; //define a float named count, by default it will be 0.0 2 => count; set it to be 2 3 +=> count; now "count" will have a value of 5 count + 3 => count; //same as the above but more typing. 2 *=> count; //also available 4 -=> count; //collect them all! 3 /=> count; //why not that one? They are free! BTW, as Joel noted; we could think here that "count" were some sort of build in thing, like "now". If you would like to be able to read code longer than this example in half a year I suggest naming stuff like this; 0 => int steps; //keeps track of the steps taken so far 16 => int max_steps; //how many steps we need to take Then you can write; while (steps < max_steps) { <<<"Stuff">>>; steps++; } Now it is clear what the variable means (what is being counted) and it will be obvious we should stop when the maximum is exceeded. For very simple things "count" or even "i" (meaning integer) is ok, of course, but if there is any doubt that it might somehow become unclear I'd name the variable after what is being counted or measured. This saves confusion and also -like here- clarifies the border between what we are doing and what ChucK has included. Naming everything "x", "y" and "z" is quick to type but it may well take a LOT more time to understand in half a year or even to find the typo in half a hour. Yours, Kas.