I agree that OSC is good to teach - and I always do... but again, most of my students are beginners, and my preferred approach is teach a sound programming environment, then map controllers via laptop controls, MIDI, then HID, then raw sensors via serial / Arduino. It's just a nice package. THEN OSC comes into play for interfacing between iphones, other environments, wireless devices, etc. But you are correct: it's really important to introduce these protocols as early as possible so that students can navigate all of these environments effortlessly... The other issue is really just ChucK's selling point. It is the only sound programming environment I know of that doesn't have any serial i/o capability... and it seems like a good idea to me to address this. Anyway, that's my 2 cents... --ss On 2012-03-04, at 2:09 PM, trzewiczek wrote:

Hi,

I'm not C++ dev, so I won't help you with the serial implementation, but from the teaching perspective I think it's a very good idea (and actually some opportunity) to teach beginers solving problems with different tools and use interoperability protocols like OSC or MIDI. The very next time your students need some graphics or camera as a sensor, they know it's easy to use some other tools, like Processing and connect it with ChucK or whatever they use. There is a lot of good commercial software that works just fine with these protocols, so then after the course is over, your student will be used to connecting software in all directions. The classic example for me is using Modul8 - OSX VJing software that has quite a complete OSC namespace, so you can easily use it with SC3 or ChucK to create advanced, interactive visualizations during the performance.

trzewiczek

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012, Stephen David Beck wrote:

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I have a similar situation with a class that we are teaching. But the students have already learned Processing basics and ChucK basics before they do Arduino. So getting them to connect the Arduino to ChucK using Processing and OSC is not a problem.

But I would be equally interested in a serial communication solution.

Steve

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On Mar 4, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Scott Smallwood wrote:

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Hey all,

I'm wondering if anyone on this list knows whether there are any plans to (finally) implement serial communication in ChucK?

I ask because, as someone who has been teaching Arduino-related things, I've basically stopped teaching ChucK in favour of Pd, simply because there isn't any way to get communication happening between ChucK and Arduino except through a third environment (like Processing via OSC or something).

I understand that it isn't that difficult to do this via OSC and Processing (or java or whatever), but it introduces an unfortunate stumbling block for beginners, and I find that it is just easier to teach in an environment that has native serial communication abilities (like Pd, Supercollider, etc). But really, I'd MUCH rather teach ChucK, as I find that it is such a good teaching language and has so many out-of-the-box features thanks to the native implementation of percolate...

I posed this question a couple of years ago and it seemed like there was lots of interest in making this happen, but as far as I know, nobody has stepped up.

Any thoughts?

--ss

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Hi All, While this is by no means a solution, I have had some success using serial to midi converters. Mainly, I have used this to map a gyroscope reading from arduino in to midi, which was then read by ChucK. Overall, this method is rather temperamental and unpredictable, though sometimes that yields interesting results. I have not yet looked around to see what similar things have been done, though I presume there is a better solution somewhere. Ethan On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Dan Trueman wrote:

totally! would be great for it to have serial!

On Mar 4, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Scott Smallwood wrote:

...

I agree that OSC is good to teach - and I always do... but again, most of my students are beginners, and my preferred approach is teach a sound programming environment, then map controllers via laptop controls, MIDI, then HID, then raw sensors via serial / Arduino. It's just a nice package.

THEN OSC comes into play for interfacing between iphones, other environments, wireless devices, etc.

But you are correct: it's really important to introduce these protocols as early as possible so that students can navigate all of these environments effortlessly...

The other issue is really just ChucK's selling point. It is the only sound programming environment I know of that doesn't have any serial i/o capability... and it seems like a good idea to me to address this.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents...

--ss

On 2012-03-04, at 2:09 PM, trzewiczek wrote:

...

Hi,

I'm not C++ dev, so I won't help you with the serial implementation, but from the teaching perspective I think it's a very good idea (and actually some opportunity) to teach beginers solving problems with different tools and use interoperability protocols like OSC or MIDI. The very next time your students need some graphics or camera as a sensor, they know it's easy to use some other tools, like Processing and connect it with ChucK or whatever they use. There is a lot of good commercial software that works just fine with these protocols, so then after the course is over, your student will be used to connecting software in all directions. The classic example for me is using Modul8 - OSX VJing software that has quite a complete OSC namespace, so you can easily use it with SC3 or ChucK to create advanced, interactive visualizations during the performance.

trzewiczek

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012, Stephen David Beck wrote:

...

I have a similar situation with a class that we are teaching. But the students have already learned Processing basics and ChucK basics before they do Arduino. So getting them to connect the Arduino to ChucK using Processing and OSC is not a problem.

But I would be equally interested in a serial communication solution.

Steve

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On Mar 4, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Scott Smallwood < scott.smallwood@ualberta.ca> wrote:

...

Hey all,

I'm wondering if anyone on this list knows whether there are any plans to (finally) implement serial communication in ChucK?

I ask because, as someone who has been teaching Arduino-related things, I've basically stopped teaching ChucK in favour of Pd, simply because there isn't any way to get communication happening between ChucK and Arduino except through a third environment (like Processing via OSC or something).

I understand that it isn't that difficult to do this via OSC and Processing (or java or whatever), but it introduces an unfortunate stumbling block for beginners, and I find that it is just easier to teach in an environment that has native serial communication abilities (like Pd, Supercollider, etc). But really, I'd MUCH rather teach ChucK, as I find that it is such a good teaching language and has so many out-of-the-box features thanks to the native implementation of percolate...

I posed this question a couple of years ago and it seemed like there was lots of interest in making this happen, but as far as I know, nobody has stepped up.

Any thoughts?

--ss

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Hey Scott and Steve, We have a similar problem with the course here at CCRMA that does a lot of Arduino stuff, and TAing that course this past year (and having to wrestle with Pd) has really compelled me to make serial support happen for ChucK. Given that ChucK has file I/O now, its mostly a task of providing access to all of the serial config stuff (baud rate, etc.) and adding binary file I/O. I can let you guys know when thats taken shape more, but as a far goal-post, personally I think CCRMA needs this by next fall. spencer On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Stephen David Beck wrote:

I have a similar situation with a class that we are teaching. But the students have already learned Processing basics and ChucK basics before they do Arduino. So getting them to connect the Arduino to ChucK using Processing and OSC is not a problem.

But I would be equally interested in a serial communication solution.

Steve

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On Mar 4, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Scott Smallwood wrote:

...

Hey all,

I'm wondering if anyone on this list knows whether there are any plans to (finally) implement serial communication in ChucK?

I ask because, as someone who has been teaching Arduino-related things, I've basically stopped teaching ChucK in favour of Pd, simply because there isn't any way to get communication happening between ChucK and Arduino except through a third environment (like Processing via OSC or something).

I understand that it isn't that difficult to do this via OSC and Processing (or java or whatever), but it introduces an unfortunate stumbling block for beginners, and I find that it is just easier to teach in an environment that has native serial communication abilities (like Pd, Supercollider, etc).  But really, I'd MUCH rather teach ChucK, as I find that it is such a good teaching language and has so many out-of-the-box features thanks to the native implementation of percolate...

I posed this question a couple of years ago and it seemed like there was lots of interest in making this happen, but as far as I know, nobody has stepped up.

Any thoughts?

--ss

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