Fwd: [livecode] Call for proposals: CMJ live coding videos

Kassen

3 Dec 2010 3 Dec '10

5:42 p.m.

Fellow ChucKists, Bellow is a message from Alex McLean that was posted to various related lists but not (yet) here. It might be interesting to some? I'd like to add that I personally like seeing completely improvised performances by people trying to come to grips with new ideas at least as much as slick pre-planned presentations. I'd argue that the former have a bigger chance of sharing "public thought" than the latter. Yours, Kas. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: alex Date: 3 December 2010 18:21 Subject: [livecode] Call for proposals: CMJ live coding videos To: livecode@toplap.org Hi all, Some exciting news I think -- Thor, Nick and I have been asked to get together some live coding videos for a forthcoming issue of Computer Music Journal. We've put together a formal call here, feel free to share it around: http://tinyurl.com/dvdcmj The ideal is to have all live coding environments represented, including experimental ones, along with all livecoders, active, dormant and lurking. So please throw in a proposal - it doesn't have to be fully formed or binding at this stage. Unfortunately there isn't any funding for any of us, but we hope this will be a really good project to be part of, and contributors would keep full copyright over their work. The deadline for brief proposals is 20th December, with notification hopefully by the end of the year. The deadline for submission of videos will be 1st April. Feel free to bring up ideas for collaborative videos here if you wish... Cheers!

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alex

3 Dec 3 Dec

5:57 p.m.

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Thanks for forwarding this Kassen, Just to make clear that this list was indeed very much on our list of places to send the call to. We split up the task of sending a personal announcement to each list between us, but Thor's home net connection is broken at the mo, hence the slight delay... It would be really great to have a lot of fine ChucK on the DVD! cheers alex On 3 December 2010 22:42, Kassen wrote:

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Fellow ChucKists, Bellow is a message from Alex McLean that was posted to various related lists but not (yet) here. It might be interesting to some? I'd like to add that I personally like seeing completely improvised performances by people trying to come to grips with new ideas at least as much as slick pre-planned presentations. I'd argue that the former have a bigger chance of sharing "public thought" than the latter.

Yours, Kas. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: alex Date: 3 December 2010 18:21 Subject: [livecode] Call for proposals: CMJ live coding videos To: livecode@toplap.org

Hi all,

Some exciting news I think -- Thor, Nick and I have been asked to get together some live coding videos for a forthcoming issue of Computer Music Journal. We've put together a formal call here, feel free to share it around: http://tinyurl.com/dvdcmj

The ideal is to have all live coding environments represented, including experimental ones, along with all livecoders, active, dormant and lurking. So please throw in a proposal - it doesn't have to be fully formed or binding at this stage. Unfortunately there isn't any funding for any of us, but we hope this will be a really good project to be part of, and contributors would keep full copyright over their work.

The deadline for brief proposals is 20th December, with notification hopefully by the end of the year. The deadline for submission of videos will be 1st April.

Feel free to bring up ideas for collaborative videos here if you wish...

Cheers!

-- http://yaxu.org/

Kassen

6:02 p.m.

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On 3 December 2010 23:57, alex wrote:

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Thanks for forwarding this Kassen,

Just to make clear that this list was indeed very much on our list of places to send the call to. We split up the task of sending a personal announcement to each list between us, but Thor's home net connection is broken at the mo, hence the slight delay...

No problem. Not sure you have posting privileges to this list, but a "reply to all" solves that.

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It would be really great to have a lot of fine ChucK on the DVD!

I agree! Yours, Kas.

lars ullrich

6:26 p.m.

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Chuck is amazing!! This was made with chuck & processing: http://vimeo.com/17397162 El 04.12.2010, a las 00:02, Kassen escribió:

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On 3 December 2010 23:57, alex wrote: Thanks for forwarding this Kassen,

Just to make clear that this list was indeed very much on our list of places to send the call to. We split up the task of sending a personal announcement to each list between us, but Thor's home net connection is broken at the mo, hence the slight delay...

No problem. Not sure you have posting privileges to this list, but a "reply to all" solves that.

It would be really great to have a lot of fine ChucK on the DVD!

I agree!

Yours, Kas. _______________________________________________ chuck-users mailing list chuck-users@lists.cs.princeton.edu https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users

Jordan Orelli

8:37 p.m.

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shit this is cool. Did you write this? Post the source to github! :-D On Dec 3, 2010, at 6:26 PM, lars ullrich wrote:

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Chuck is amazing!!

This was made with chuck & processing:

http://vimeo.com/17397162

El 04.12.2010, a las 00:02, Kassen escribió:

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On 3 December 2010 23:57, alex wrote: Thanks for forwarding this Kassen,

Just to make clear that this list was indeed very much on our list of places to send the call to. We split up the task of sending a personal announcement to each list between us, but Thor's home net connection is broken at the mo, hence the slight delay...

No problem. Not sure you have posting privileges to this list, but a "reply to all" solves that.

It would be really great to have a lot of fine ChucK on the DVD!

I agree!

Yours, Kas. _______________________________________________ chuck-users mailing list chuck-users@lists.cs.princeton.edu https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users

_______________________________________________ chuck-users mailing list chuck-users@lists.cs.princeton.edu https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users

Hans Aberg

4 Dec 4 Dec

3:57 p.m.

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This might be great as a part of an exhibition at a museum of modern arts or something like that. On 4 Dec 2010, at 00:26, lars ullrich wrote:

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Chuck is amazing!!

This was made with chuck & processing:

http://vimeo.com/17397162

mike clemow

5 Dec 5 Dec

4:45 a.m.

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Hey nice work! 2010/12/3 lars ullrich

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Chuck is amazing!!

This was made with chuck & processing:

http://vimeo.com/17397162

El 04.12.2010, a las 00:02, Kassen escribió:

On 3 December 2010 23:57, alex wrote:

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Thanks for forwarding this Kassen,

Just to make clear that this list was indeed very much on our list of places to send the call to. We split up the task of sending a personal announcement to each list between us, but Thor's home net connection is broken at the mo, hence the slight delay...

No problem. Not sure you have posting privileges to this list, but a "reply to all" solves that.

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It would be really great to have a lot of fine ChucK on the DVD!

I agree!

Yours, Kas. _______________________________________________ chuck-users mailing list chuck-users@lists.cs.princeton.edu https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users

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Kassen

10:41 a.m.

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2010/12/4 lars ullrich

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Chuck is amazing!!

This was made with chuck & processing:

http://vimeo.com/17397162

Excellent! Reminds me a bit of this; http://vimeo.com/6452762 http://vimeo.com/6452762That's a good thing as I love Gabor's work. I also agree with Hans, but I'd say that something like Vimeo actually *is* a museum of modern arts, side-stepping many of the issues of "normal" musea in doing away with curators and letting the audience enjoy works in their own time in their own way. Again; great job. Yours, Kas.

Hans Aberg

12:08 p.m.

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On 5 Dec 2010, at 16:41, Kassen wrote:

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2010/12/4 lars ullrich Chuck is amazing!!

This was made with chuck & processing:

http://vimeo.com/17397162

Excellent! Reminds me a bit of this; http://vimeo.com/6452762 That's a good thing as I love Gabor's work.

As for the Scheme code it uses, I started writing on a parser that uses normal syntax on top of Guile.

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I also agree with Hans, but I'd say that something like Vimeo actually *is* a museum of modern arts, side-stepping many of the issues of "normal" musea in doing away with curators and letting the audience enjoy works in their own time in their own way.

It did not exist from the time of my memories. :-)

Kassen

12:40 p.m.

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As for the Scheme code it uses, I started writing on a parser that uses normal syntax on top of Guile.

You lost me here for a moment. Do you mean that you are parsing ChucK in Guile using ChucK's normal syntax? I'd be interested in hearing more about that. Fluxus used to use Guile, BTW, now we have Racket (formerly PLT).

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I also agree with Hans, but I'd say that something like Vimeo actually

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*is* a museum of modern arts, side-stepping many of the issues of "normal" musea in doing away with curators and letting the audience enjoy works in their own time in their own way.

It did not exist from the time of my memories. :-)

Well, it does make sense that the available types of exhibition spaces would grow as digital/computer arts develop. Right now that seems to be a bit of a question and I'm sure things will change more in the near future. I think this is a interesting attempt at addressing the issue; http://runme.org/ and right now I'm quite fascinated by the concept of having a gallery exhibition that would also be as much like a arcade as possible. Then of course there is the phenomenon of some artists appropriating the digital stores for portable applications which makes lots and lots of sense and yet raises even more questions. These are interesting times :¬) Kas.

Hans Aberg

1:03 p.m.

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On 5 Dec 2010, at 18:40, Kassen wrote:

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As for the Scheme code it uses, I started writing on a parser that uses normal syntax on top of Guile.

You lost me here for a moment. Do you mean that you are parsing ChucK in Guile using ChucK's normal syntax?

No, I am making my own language right now using Bison/Flex, but its syntax is what is expected as standard. For example, (x, y) |-> x + y evaluates to (lambda (x y) (+ x y)). But is possible to have more complicated things, like functionals with variable arguments: (x, y, ...) (z, ...) |-> [x, y, z] --> (lambda (x . y) (lambda z (list x y z))) Or calling functions: f(a, b)(c, d) --> ((f a b) c d)

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I'd be interested in hearing more about that.

I have just started, but it moves fast forward.

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Fluxus used to use Guile, BTW, now we have Racket (formerly PLT).

It actually produces Scheme code in terms of Guile objects. So it is possible to write it out and evaluate in another program than Guile.

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I also agree with Hans, but I'd say that something like Vimeo actually *is* a museum of modern arts, side-stepping many of the issues of "normal" musea in doing away with curators and letting the audience enjoy works in their own time in their own way.

It did not exist from the time of my memories. :-)

Well, it does make sense that the available types of exhibition spaces would grow as digital/computer arts develop. Right now that seems to be a bit of a question and I'm sure things will change more in the near future.

I think this is a interesting attempt at addressing the issue; http://runme.org/ and right now I'm quite fascinated by the concept of having a gallery exhibition that would also be as much like a arcade as possible. Then of course there is the phenomenon of some artists appropriating the digital stores for portable applications which makes lots and lots of sense and yet raises even more questions.

These are interesting times :¬)

Perhaps it with museums as with libraries.

Kassen

1:24 p.m.

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Hans;

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No, I am making my own language right now using Bison/Flex, but its syntax is what is expected as standard. For example, (x, y) |-> x + y evaluates to (lambda (x y) (+ x y)). But is possible to have more complicated things, like functionals with variable arguments: (x, y, ...) (z, ...) |-> [x, y, z] --> (lambda (x . y) (lambda z (list x y z))) Or calling functions: f(a, b)(c, d) --> ((f a b) c d)

Got it. Seems like you are aiming for something with Scheme's "purity" (for lack of a better word) and yet with ChucK's "read left to right, like a novel" style instead of "read inside to outside, which will come down to right to left, most of the time, unless we need multiple lines in which case you better have a good editor". If so; that should be good.

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I have just started, but it moves fast forward.

Send me a note when you have a twitter or RSS feed or similar for this. Kas.

Hans Aberg

1:46 p.m.

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On 5 Dec 2010, at 19:24, Kassen wrote:

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No, I am making my own language right now using Bison/Flex, but its syntax is what is expected as standard. For example, (x, y) |-> x + y evaluates to (lambda (x y) (+ x y)). But is possible to have more complicated things, like functionals with variable arguments: (x, y, ...) (z, ...) |-> [x, y, z] --> (lambda (x . y) (lambda z (list x y z))) Or calling functions: f(a, b)(c, d) --> ((f a b) c d)

Got it. Seems like you are aiming for something with Scheme's "purity" (for lack of a better word) and yet with ChucK's "read left to right, like a novel" style instead of "read inside to outside, which will come down to right to left, most of the time, unless we need multiple lines in which case you better have a good editor". If so; that should be good.

I have my own ideas of what the syntax should be, but got started using Guile as a back-end, which turns out to simplify the implementation a great deal. (Guile 2.0 will have byte-code compilation and switches to the Boehm conservative GC.) I am using C, C++ and Guile can be called directly from those. So one should be able to incorporate ChucK by calling its functions.

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I have just started, but it moves fast forward.

Send me a note when you have a twitter or RSS feed or similar for this.

Sure, whenever you want.

lars ullrich

6 Dec 6 Dec

6:09 p.m.

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thanks to everybody for the nice comments. glad you guys like it! El 05.12.2010, a las 16:41, Kassen escribió:

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2010/12/4 lars ullrich Chuck is amazing!!

This was made with chuck & processing:

http://vimeo.com/17397162

Excellent! Reminds me a bit of this; http://vimeo.com/6452762 That's a good thing as I love Gabor's work.

I also agree with Hans, but I'd say that something like Vimeo actually *is* a museum of modern arts, side-stepping many of the issues of "normal" musea in doing away with curators and letting the audience enjoy works in their own time in their own way.

Again; great job.

Yours, Kas. _______________________________________________ chuck-users mailing list chuck-users@lists.cs.princeton.edu https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users

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