Audicle doesn't in itself increase the capabilities of the ChucK language - it's analogous to xCode or Visual Studio, with some customization towards coding for audio, and tools for quick feedback on the state of the VM. However, the command line interface is fully functional, provides much of the same feedback as Audicle, and can be used with any text editor Some videos of early chuck show off some serious command-line / pico / emacs / vi madness. We welcome any suggestions to make chuck's command-line output more accessible for screen-reading but back to Audicle - Audicle's interface ( including text editor, etc ) is built entirely in C++ using OpenGL for cross-platform compatability. As yet there would be no default screen-reading support, nor does it use standardized GUI elements ( at least, we haven't written them ). If there is a standard API that we can work with, that might be an option. With respect to magnification of the interface - the windowing system is flexible enough to allow for variation and customization ( enlarged fonts, widgets, etc ) in its current incarnation, although it isn't properly exposed yet. The conversation here has given me more thought toward design concerns in this type of system, since the Audicle attempts to combine single-user ( generally hi-res ) interaction and a multi-user ( lo-res ) presentation to an audience. If it's not apparent that an on-the-fly coding environment running off your laptop isn't an e-mail program, you aren't connecting with the audience any more than you were before ( probably less so ) we'll hopefully have more to work with once Chuck emerges from its current re-write cocoon, and the Audicle is released into the wild Phil On Feb 7, 2005, at 1:21 PM, oliver oli wrote:

the question remains: if you're blind and using a screen reader, is there anything in audicle which should be made more screen reader aware or should you just use the command line interface?

could the command line chuck be improved for screen readers?

what would be a good interface for blind people?

how usable is audicle for visually impaired people?

Jeffrey Treviño wrote:

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From: *oliver oli I don't know much about Audicle, I only watched the video. It's mainly a visualization of what is going on inside of ChucK. How many shreds are running and when they get activated, etc... There is also an editor which some nifty user interface, which I guess is based on OpenGL, too. From the performance standpoint, I can say that the Audicle is much more than a fancy editor / visualization. We have to keep in mind that this language aims to facilitate on-the-fly programming. The Audicle interface substantially changes how a performer might interact with Chuck in realtime, because it fundamentally changes the characteristics of the performance interface. But this stuff is completely optional, you can also do everything with plain chuck and an editor of your choice. Except that you can do it more quickly and in different ways using Audicle. Plus our plain editors are way less interesting to audience members than are fancy visualizations. I don't think it makes any sense to try to make Audicle more screen reader friendly, because it's mainly 2D and 3D visualization. I guess it's possible to magnify everything in Audicle as it's based on OpenGL. But maybe it's possible to make the command line interface of chuck more accessible? Have you tried to run chuck? Is there anything which could be improved for a screen reader...? As a composer/performer, I personally prefer virtual instrument GUIs of some kind (even if they're dynamically defined) over command line interfaces for performance. We need to get away from the suspicion that your new music laptop performer is in fact checking his e-mailing during the performance you're watching, and projecting visualizations--especially visualizations like this that are integrated with the code editor and are apparently effecting the way in which the performer makes musical decisions--has a lot of potential as a cure. --Jeff Treviño, Stanford University Computer Center for Research in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA)

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Yes, sometimes making a GUI-based program "self-voicing" or perhaps "self-sonifying" <mile> might be easier than trying to force accessibility on an inaccessible gui library. If you were to generate speech using SAPI (speech API), then many speech synthesizers under windows, and I believe linux also would be able to work with it. Just my two cents... -- Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ge Wang" To: "Mailing list for programming language 'ChucK'" Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [chuck] Audicle presentation award / video Dear All, As Phil mentioned, we haven't really addressed accessibility for the Audicle, and are open to suggestions. Here is one potentially bad idea: instead of / in addition to accessibility to screen reading of the Audicle, we sonify the various features of the Audicle, since the idea is to gain insight into the programs that we write. There would be some switch that toggles/mixes audio synthesis with Audicle sonification, or maybe the sonification goes on a different channel (which can go to another host or separate headphones). The sonification could even be coded in ChucK. This is an entire project in itself, but could be very interesting. I have just returned from a trip to Berlin (for transmediale 2005), and we are continuing to plow/stumble forth on 1.2. Meanwhile, we have tweaked performance for OS X and XP, which we are putting out in 1.1.5.5. Best, Ge! On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Philip Davidson wrote:

Audicle doesn't in itself increase the capabilities of the ChucK language - it's analogous to xCode or Visual Studio, with some customization towards coding for audio, and tools for quick feedback on the state of the VM. However, the command line interface is fully functional, provides much of the same feedback as Audicle, and can be used with any text editor Some videos of early chuck show off some serious command-line / pico / emacs / vi madness.

We welcome any suggestions to make chuck's command-line output more accessible for screen-reading

but back to Audicle -

Audicle's interface ( including text editor, etc ) is built entirely in C++ using OpenGL for cross-platform compatability. As yet there would be no default screen-reading support, nor does it use standardized GUI elements ( at least, we haven't written them ). If there is a standard API that we can work with, that might be an option. With respect to magnification of the interface - the windowing system is flexible enough to allow for variation and customization ( enlarged fonts, widgets, etc ) in its current incarnation, although it isn't properly exposed yet.

The conversation here has given me more thought toward design concerns in this type of system, since the Audicle attempts to combine single-user ( generally hi-res ) interaction and a multi-user ( lo-res ) presentation to an audience. If it's not apparent that an on-the-fly coding environment running off your laptop isn't an e-mail program, you aren't connecting with the audience any more than you were before ( probably less so )

we'll hopefully have more to work with once Chuck emerges from its current re-write cocoon, and the Audicle is released into the wild

Phil

On Feb 7, 2005, at 1:21 PM, oliver oli wrote:

...

the question remains: if you're blind and using a screen reader, is there anything in audicle which should be made more screen reader aware or should you just use the command line interface?

could the command line chuck be improved for screen readers?

what would be a good interface for blind people?

how usable is audicle for visually impaired people?

Jeffrey Treviño wrote:

...

From: *oliver oli I don't know much about Audicle, I only watched the video. It's mainly a visualization of what is going on inside of ChucK. How many shreds are running and when they get activated, etc... There is also an editor which some nifty user interface, which I guess is based on OpenGL, too. From the performance standpoint, I can say that the Audicle is much more than a fancy editor / visualization. We have to keep in mind that this language aims to facilitate on-the-fly programming. The Audicle interface substantially changes how a performer might interact with Chuck in realtime, because it fundamentally changes the characteristics of the performance interface. But this stuff is completely optional, you can also do everything with plain chuck and an editor of your choice. Except that you can do it more quickly and in different ways using Audicle. Plus our plain editors are way less interesting to audience members than are fancy visualizations. I don't think it makes any sense to try to make Audicle more screen reader friendly, because it's mainly 2D and 3D visualization. I guess it's possible to magnify everything in Audicle as it's based on OpenGL. But maybe it's possible to make the command line interface of chuck more accessible? Have you tried to run chuck? Is there anything which could be improved for a screen reader...? As a composer/performer, I personally prefer virtual instrument GUIs of some kind (even if they're dynamically defined) over command line interfaces for performance. We need to get away from the suspicion that your new music laptop performer is in fact checking his e-mailing during the performance you're watching, and projecting visualizations--especially visualizations like this that are integrated with the code editor and are apparently effecting the way in which the performer makes musical decisions--has a lot of potential as a cure. --Jeff Treviño, Stanford University Computer Center for Research in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA)

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