[chuck-users] how is this "on the fly"?

AlgoMantra algomantra at gmail.com
Tue Sep 18 00:28:00 EDT 2007 

Right. I totally realise now that you own this list.




On 9/18/07, Michal Seta <mis at artengine.ca> wrote:
>
> Thank you for your comments.
> This has gone off-topic enough.
>
> ./MiS
>
> On 9/17/07, AlgoMantra <algomantra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Michal Seta,
> >
> > I admit I was a bit tired at the end of a long, frustrating week
> > and my email may have been a bit "whiny". I apologise. Here
> > are answers to some of your questions/doubts:
> >
> >  What I don't understand is why do you learn CSound, SuperCollider,
> > ChucK if all you want to do is use Python?
> >
> > Because some of my friends suggested that I do, and I was curious to
> learn
> > new stuff.
> > For reasons of speed, simplicity and elegance I try to stick to Python.
> It
> > is not a hard and fast rule so much as an aesthetic.
> >
> > The question is a little vague so he pointed you in *one* direction.
> >
> > I can't begin to see how you could have followed our entire private
> > exchange,
> > which is very different from the short public summary I gave you.
> >
> > I think you are misunderstanding.  He is telling you to look into the
> > recorder example so that you can see how to capture live audio.
> >
> > Have YOU looked into that example? It's crawling with reindeers singing
> > Jingle Bells.
> >
> > You mean you acquire knowledge through luck?  Or am I misunderstanding
> >  something.
> >
> > How one acquires knowledge is one's own business. How one can show it
> off
> > is what seems to be yours. You have some really bizarre assumptions
> about
> > who I might be and what I might not know.
> >
> > Now, do you mean there are only 2-3 new media artists in India?
> >  Strange.   A random Google hit:
> > http://www.newmedia.sunderland
> > > .ac.uk/nmcr/india/ilinks.htm
> > > suggests that there are a few more.
> >
> > A random Google search on "Michal Seta"  suggests that you probably
> don't
> > exist, and if you do - your existence is not too consequential for
> mankind.
> >
> > Next time, try selling your work in the art district of Bombay to earn
> your
> > dinner.
> > You'll probably run into me, and the only other artist in "new media"
> who is
> > not
> > even mentioned on that strange and funny website you quote as divine
> proof.
> >
> > "new media", now I wonder what you understand by that phrase. The phrase
> > itself, right?
> >
> > Whining is certainly not going to help you.  What will help, however,
> >  is that you think about what you want to achieve, clearly state your
> > needs, problems and issues and then write to the appropriate mailing
> > list.
> >
> > You seem to have it all figured out. That is the universal mantra of
> > success, right?
> > Good luck, mate! You're going to need it.
> >
> > -------
> > 1/f   )))
> > -------
> > http://www.algomantra.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/17/07, Michal Seta < mis at artengine.ca> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On 9/17/07, AlgoMantra < algomantra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > > Allow me to restate my objective. I want "to read the sound of a
> live
> > flute
> > > > off the audio port in realtime, and analyse it using Python". Now...
> > >
> > > What I don't understand is why do you learn CSound, SuperCollider,
> > > ChucK if all you want to do is use Python?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This is a reply to me from one of the main PySndObj developers:
> > > >
> > > > thinking a little more about this, I think there is no
> pitch  tracker
> > > >  there (I need to add one...). So you can try csound:
> > > >
> > > > See that? at least he understood my question somewhat.
> > >
> > > The question is a little vague so he pointed you in *one* direction.
> > >
> > > > Now here's a response from the gentleman at Pymedia:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can you please check voice_recorder_player.py or voice_recorder.py
> > > > from examples tar ball ?May be it will resolve most of the issues.
> > > > He is answering a completely different question! I'm talking about
> > > > intercepting data off a port, and he's talking of recording it.
> > >
> > > I think you are misunderstanding.  He is telling you to look into the
> > > recorder example so that you can see how to capture live audio.
> > >
> > > > I had seen
> > > > the example he's talking about but it made no sense in the context.
> > >
> > > Which context?  The context of capturing real-time audio?  Or the
> > > context of doing "an analysis" on the signal.  It certainly makes no
> > > sense in the latter but a lot in the former.
> > >
> > > > And I was kinda lucky in that I know what a tarball is
> > >
> > > You mean you acquire knowledge through luck?  Or am I misunderstanding
> > > something.
> > >
> > > >- most artists
> > > > who dabble in technology come from diverse background. ( I am one
> > > > of the 2 or 3 new media artists in India). So I find it odd that
> when
> > > > newbies
> > > > ask questions, developers answer very sweetly, but in code.
> > >
> > > All artists come from diverse backgrounds.  And regardless of what you
> > > dabble at, you still have to follow the learning path, especially if
> > > you want to become somewhat proficient at it.  If computers are your
> > > thing, you have to learn some basics about the computer and operating
> > > systems and how to use different applications.  If you are proficient
> > > enough with computers to start coding audio applications in python and
> > > you don't state your background but, instead, you ask a vague
> > > question, it is understandable that developers assume that you know
> > > what you're talking about.  If you need hand-holding, which all
> > > newbies of the world need, you have say so and state your problem with
> > > as much precision as possible so that those who would like to help you
> > > do not need to do much guess work.
> > >
> > > Now, do you mean there are only 2-3 new media artists in India?
> > > Strange.   A random Google hit:
> > >
> > http://www.newmedia.sunderland.ac.uk/nmcr/india/ilinks.htm
> > > suggests that there are a few more.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps the truth really is that adc => FFT => dac, which is so
> simple
> > > > for ChucK etc - has no analog in Python, and people are just too
> > > >  ashamed to admit that they don't know how its done.
> > >
> > > I never used Python for audio but I would assume that it, in fact, is
> > > possible.  In any case, I find it hard to believe that after having
> > > learned CSound and SuperCollider you have not been able to achieve you
> > > goal of reading live flute and analysing it (I don't know what kind of
> > > analysis you want to do and what you want to use the analysis data).
> > > Have you looked at Pure data?  puredata.info.  Perhaps this is a
> > > little more high-level than CSound or SC (or even chuck).  Also, there
> > > are python wrappers for csound so you can script the csound shebang
> > > with python, if you're so inclined.  So, if PySndObj doesn't cut if
> > > for you, do it with pyCSound.
> > >
> > > >To use Chuck to
> > > > do this, I will need to learn YET ANOTHER LANGUAGE called OSC
> > > > or something, which will talk to messages from Python (which are
> > > > messages originating in my phone coming via Bluetooth) so I can
> > > > pretty much give up on realtime.
> > >
> > > OSC is a protocol.  It should not be needed for such simple task as
> > > reading the audio port, analysing the signal and (insert your action
> > > here).  However, if you intend to control your computer by messages
> > > you type on your phone, you can certainly forget about realtime,
> > > unless you're a hyper-fast phone-keypad-typist.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I hate Python. Ugh, no! I love it, but I hate where I am with this
> > > > damn project.
> > >
> > > Whining is certainly not going to help you.  What will help, however,
> > > is that you think about what you want to achieve, clearly state your
> > > needs, problems and issues and then write to the appropriate mailing
> > > list.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > ./MiS
> > >
> > > >
> > > > *looks despondently at the wall picture of Lord Shiva,
> > > > who has a familiar serpent tied around his neck like a
> > > > scarf*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  -------
> > > > 1/f   )))
> > > > -------
> > > > http://www.algomantra.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/17/07, robin.escalation <robin.escalation at acm.org> wrote:
> > > > > --- AlgoMantra <algomantra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > If you prepare your files and code in advance and then just
> chuck
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > shreds in and out of the VM, it really is a a bit like
> sequencing,
> > > > > > rather
> > > > > > than livecoding. And if I change the code in the file, save it,
> > > > > > then the
> > > > > > effects don't appear live, do they?
> > > > >
> > > > > In my little free time that I am spending with ChucK I am trying
> to
> > > > > figure this out as well! The best I get is editing one file while
> > > > > another is playing. This feels more like batch programming than
> real
> > > > > time.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe i'm missing something freakin obvious, but I'm so
> frustrated
> > > > > > having had to learn Csound, Chuck, SuperCollider and all sorts
> of
> > > > > > new languages just because Python did not provide me with a
> simple
> > > > > > audio processing module. All I wanted to do using Python was
> > > > > > analyse the sound
> > > > > > of a live flute playing and plot its frequency, and other
> > > > > > characteristics,
> > > > > > straight off the audio port.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is annoying that no-one has wrapped a decent library for
> Python.
> > > > > But haver you checked out my article on this topic? It could be
> that
> > > > > if you have simple needs PyMedia or one of the other mentioned
> tools
> > > > > might do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Surf:
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://diagrammes-modernes.blogspot.com/2007/08/music-control-tools-python-based.html
> > > > >
> > > > > -- robin
> > > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > Robin Parmar
> > > > > robinparmar.com
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