[chuck-users] chout and cherr confuse me [BUG?]

[Spencer D Salazar]

Howdy,

While there should be no debate that stdout buffering is a nearly universal implementation strategy of C/C++ IO, the exact behavior Kassen is reporting was concerning to me.  I then remembered that one common detail in how stdout is buffered is that the buffer is flushed less often when stdout is directed to a file or a pipe.  

It just so happens that to enable the Console Monitor, miniAudicle has to redirect stderr and stdout to a pipe.  

As far as I can tell, Kassen's original example works fine in command line chuck.  As you have reported, not so much in the mini.  I think the fix for this is pretty straightforward, so that should be in SVN shortly*.  

Kassen, thanks for reporting this and sticking to your guns!

spencer

* By the way, miniAudicle's active source repository has moved to SVN, hosted by Google Code.  


----- "Kassen" <signal.automatique at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Ge!
> 
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> 
> In short, chout prints to stdout (buffered output, higher
> performance), and cherr prints to stderr (more timely and synchronous,
> handled differently by console/pipes/redirect). The existing <<< >>>
> operators prints to stderr by default (there was actually no way to
> print to stdout before chout).
> 
> 
> 
> Check, that's quite clear then.
> 
> 
> If one desires truly synchronous output, then cherr is probably the
> way to go. At the same time, there are a few nuances of cout (C++) -
> there is a method to force flushing the buffer - this actually exists
> for chout - just invoke .flush(). Inserting an "endl" into C++ cout
> effectively flushes the output stream - this is currently not
> implemented. I've made
> this addition in CVS (IO.newline() or "\n" by itself will cause a
> flush on chout), and this should be in the next release.
> 
> 
> Well.... now I have a new issue;
> 
> chout.flush();
> 
> ...will crash the Mini for me. It even crashes when that's the only
> line in the file.
> I'm also sorry to have to say that I'm still not sold on the idea that
> chout works properly. I can accept it being slow but here it is being
> slow in a very predictable way that's related to what ChucK does.
> Especially as IO.newline() doesn't seem to -by itself- flush all data
> out. If you look at my example code you'll see all print commands use
> newline() yet at the end of running the file there is still a print
> command up in limbo.
> 
> Sorry to persist like this.
> 
> Yours,
> Kas.
> 
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