[chuck-users] future of ChucK
Stuart Roland
stuartroland at gmail.com
Sun Jan 14 13:12:07 EST 2018
I can't speak to the future of ChucK itself, but recently I have been
giving a lot of thought to MY future with Chuck. First off, I love ChucK
and all the cool stuff it let's me create. I find it much more intuitive
than any other audio programming language/environment I have used and I can
usually create something along the lines of what I set out to create with
it. My problem with it is that I really want to be able to create stand
alone apps and plugins with it, which I have not found any way of doing. I
would like for my software to be usable by the average musician, not just
by programmer-musicians who can read ChucK code (though we are a cool
bunch). I know ChucK Racks were just released (for Macs,which I don't use)
but as I understand, this just let's you run ChucK scripts as a plugin, and
does not provide a way to wrap up the code in any UI to distribute to
musicians who are used to sliders, knobs, presets etc.
So I guess I have a few questions for everyone/anyone here: is there a way
to use ChucK in a mobile or desktop app? Is there a way to connect ChucK to
a GUI that is simple enough that non-programmers could use it? If not, is
there another language / libraries for another language like python, for
example, that has some of the great, intuitive design as ChucK? Is ChucK
more of an educational tool at this point and less of a tool for developers?
Thanks for taking the time to read. Happy audio/music making!
Stuart
On Jan 14, 2018 11:00 AM, <chuck-users-request at lists.cs.princeton.edu>
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> 1. Re: static strings and the future (JP Yepez)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: JP Yepez <jpyepezimc at gmail.com>
> To: ChucK Users Mailing List <chuck-users at lists.cs.princeton.edu>
> Cc:
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> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:53:30 +1300
> Subject: Re: [chuck-users] static strings and the future
> Hello all,
>
> I can't say much about the development part itself, but in my experience
> I've noticed that ChucK is still being used widely at an academic level. I
> understand it's being used in a few universities that include creative
> technology programs and computer orchestra courses in their curriculums,
> including CalArts, Stanford, and VUW (New Zealand). Like Mario mentioned,
> it is a core part of a few Kadenze courses; I've been involved as a
> producer/teaching assistant in a couple of them and it seems like it's a
> popular language among students who are just learning how to code, and
> musicians who would like to develop more advanced projects. Also, ChucK
> Racks popped up a couple of months ago, which was pretty exciting. So yeah,
> I think there's quite a bit going on, but it certainly would be nice to
> have a more active community (I'm hoping to contribute, and hopefully I'll
> get to it before too long).
>
> About the *static strings* issue, I think they're kind of in a shady
> spot. Like Gonzalo mentioned, you can't have static non-primitives in your
> code, but there is a workaround to this by declaring objects as a reference
> and then initializing them outside of the class. However, if you try to do
> this with strings, it will tell you that they're a primitive type and it
> throws an error. The best hack I've found for this is through arrays (even
> if the size of the array is 1 in many cases). Here's an example:
>
>
> public class Container {
>
>
> static string staticString[];
>
>
>
> public static void init() {
>
> new string[1] @=> staticString;
>
> "Hello World" @=> staticString[0];
>
> }
>
>
>
> public static void print(){
>
> <<< staticString[0] >>>;
>
> }
>
> }
>
>
> Container.init();
>
> Container.print();
>
>
>
> You don't really need an init() function, and you can initialize the array
> on the actual script, but I usually end up with much larger classes, which
> is why I like to keep things clean.
> Hope this helps!
>
> Best,
>
> JP
>
>
> *JP Yepez*
> New Media Artist - Musician - Researcher
> Website: http://www.jpyepez.com/
> Email: jpyepezimc at gmail.com
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>
> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 12:19 AM, mario buoninfante <
> mario.buoninfante at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like to ask the same question about the development status.
>>
>> the only thing I can say is that also if the development seems to be a
>> bit stuck, on the other side I noticed that they're pushing on the
>> educational side (see Kadenze courses), and if you look at the github
>> repository, there's been some update in the last 2 years.
>>
>> but as you guys said, it's important to know what's the plan ;)
>>
>> it's a couple of years I'm really diving into ChucK and I strongly
>> believe that is a good programming language which opens up a lot of
>> possibilities that other languages don't.
>>
>> but at the same time I feel like it's been a bit abandoned (maybe that's
>> a huge word, let's say put aside ;) ) and of course using a "tool" which
>> has an "uncertain future" it's not the best thing.
>>
>> I wish I was able to offer my contribution to the development, but
>> unfortunately I'm not really into C/C++, I'm more a "scripting language
>> guy" :)
>>
>> btw, it would be nice to hear what developers and/or other users have to
>> say about it.
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Mario
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/01/18 22:14, Gonzalo wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I'm wondering the same thing. There's a Facebook group (
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1593843507578422/) but it doesn't look
>>> super active either.
>>>
>>> As far as static strings: I'm pretty sure you just can't have static
>>> non-primitives. What are you trying to achieve?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Gonzalo
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13.01.18 00:20, Atte wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I've been away for a long time and surprised that activity seems to
>>>> have slowed down a lot, both on the development of new releases chuck and
>>>> the life of this list. Am I looking at the wrong places? What's the status
>>>> of chuck development now and in the future?
>>>>
>>>> I really like chuck (mostly the timing and sporking including
>>>> Machine.add()), should I look other places for a language that will privide
>>>> a more secure future? I'm on linux and looked at Csound, Super Collider and
>>>> PD, each has it's challenges in how I work (realtime generative and
>>>> algorithmic MIDI), python seems to have realtime problems (garbage
>>>> collection at random points). Any idea what former chuck users have
>>>> switched to now?
>>>>
>>>> Back to chuck! A problem that I never been able to solve, static
>>>> strings:
>>>>
>>>> public class A {
>>>> "b" @=> static string B;
>>>>
>>>> public static void C(){
>>>> <<<B>>>;
>>>> }
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> That throws an error, how would I go about what I'm trying to do?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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