[chuck-users] future of ChucK

Michael Heuer heuermh at gmail.com
Tue Jan 16 11:58:42 EST 2018 

Yes, exactly.  I gave libchuck a go a while back and ran into various issues

https://github.com/heuermh/lick-ios

I was not so much flummoxed by the code itself, for me it was more Xcode
and various iOS-specific issues.

If anyone has iOS chops and is interested, I'd love to build open source
example(s) such as the above that would allow the community a stepping
stone to getting ChucK-based apps in the App Store.

   michael


On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Joel Matthys <jwmatthys at gmail.com> wrote:

> Check out https://github.com/spencersalazar/libchuck. I've been meaning
> to try it out, but haven't yet. It's exactly the kind of lib that should be
> embeddable in an app. I think it needs someone to create a few simple
> (cross-platform) examples.
>
> Joel
>
> On 01/14/2018 12:12 PM, Stuart Roland wrote:
>
> I can't speak to the future of ChucK itself, but recently I have been
> giving a lot of thought to MY future with Chuck. First off, I love ChucK
> and all the cool stuff it let's me create. I find it much more intuitive
> than any other audio programming language/environment I have used and I can
> usually create something along the lines of what I set out to create with
> it. My problem with it is that I really want to be able to create stand
> alone apps and plugins with it, which I have not found any way of doing. I
> would like for my software to be usable by the average musician, not just
> by programmer-musicians who can read ChucK code (though we are a cool
> bunch). I know ChucK Racks were just released (for Macs,which I don't use)
> but as I understand, this just let's you run ChucK scripts as a plugin, and
> does not provide a way to wrap up the code in any UI to distribute to
> musicians who are used to sliders, knobs, presets etc.
>
> So I guess I have a few questions for everyone/anyone here: is there a way
> to use ChucK in a mobile or desktop app? Is there a way to connect ChucK to
> a GUI that is simple enough that non-programmers could use it? If not, is
> there another language / libraries for another language like python, for
> example, that has some of the great, intuitive design as ChucK? Is ChucK
> more of an educational tool at this point and less of a tool for developers?
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read. Happy audio/music making!
>
> Stuart
>
> On Jan 14, 2018 11:00 AM, <chuck-users-request at lists.cs.princeton.edu>
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>>    1. Re: static strings and the future (JP Yepez)
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: JP Yepez <jpyepezimc at gmail.com>
>> To: ChucK Users Mailing List <chuck-users at lists.cs.princeton.edu>
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:53:30 +1300
>> Subject: Re: [chuck-users] static strings and the future
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I can't say much about the development part itself, but in my experience
>> I've noticed that ChucK is still being used widely at an academic level. I
>> understand it's being used in a few universities that include creative
>> technology programs and computer orchestra courses in their curriculums,
>> including CalArts, Stanford, and VUW (New Zealand). Like Mario mentioned,
>> it is a core part of a few Kadenze courses; I've been involved as a
>> producer/teaching assistant in a couple of them and it seems like it's a
>> popular language among students who are just learning how to code, and
>> musicians who would like to develop more advanced projects. Also, ChucK
>> Racks popped up a couple of months ago, which was pretty exciting. So yeah,
>> I think there's quite a bit going on, but it certainly would be nice to
>> have a more active community (I'm hoping to contribute, and hopefully I'll
>> get to it before too long).
>>
>> About the *static strings* issue, I think they're kind of in a shady
>> spot. Like Gonzalo mentioned, you can't have static non-primitives in your
>> code, but there is a workaround to this by declaring objects as a reference
>> and then initializing them outside of the class. However, if you try to do
>> this with strings, it will tell you that they're a primitive type and it
>> throws an error. The best hack I've found for this is through arrays (even
>> if the size of the array is 1 in many cases). Here's an example:
>>
>>
>> public class Container {
>>
>>
>>     static string staticString[];
>>
>>
>>
>>     public static void init() {
>>
>>         new string[1] @=> staticString;
>>
>>         "Hello World" @=> staticString[0];
>>
>>     }
>>
>>
>>
>>     public static void print(){
>>
>>         <<< staticString[0] >>>;
>>
>>     }
>>
>> }
>>
>>
>> Container.init();
>>
>> Container.print();
>>
>>
>>
>> You don't really need an init() function, and you can initialize the
>> array on the actual script, but I usually end up with much larger classes,
>> which is why I like to keep things clean.
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> JP
>>
>>
>> *JP Yepez*
>> New Media Artist - Musician - Researcher
>> Website:  http://www.jpyepez.com/
>> Email:      jpyepezimc at gmail.com
>> --------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 12:19 AM, mario buoninfante <
>> mario.buoninfante at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd like to ask the same question about the development status.
>>>
>>> the only thing I can say is that also if the development seems to be a
>>> bit stuck, on the other side I noticed that they're pushing on the
>>> educational side (see Kadenze courses), and if you look at the github
>>> repository, there's been some update in the last 2 years.
>>>
>>> but as you guys said, it's important to know what's the plan ;)
>>>
>>> it's a couple of years I'm really diving into ChucK and I strongly
>>> believe that is a good programming language which opens up a lot of
>>> possibilities that other languages don't.
>>>
>>> but at the same time I feel like it's been a bit abandoned (maybe that's
>>> a huge word, let's say put aside ;) ) and of course using a "tool"  which
>>> has an "uncertain future" it's not the best thing.
>>>
>>> I wish I was able to offer my contribution to the development, but
>>> unfortunately I'm not really into C/C++, I'm more a "scripting language
>>> guy" :)
>>>
>>> btw, it would be nice to hear what developers and/or other users have to
>>> say about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Mario
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/01/18 22:14, Gonzalo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, I'm wondering the same thing. There's a Facebook group (
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1593843507578422/) but it doesn't look
>>>> super active either.
>>>>
>>>> As far as static strings: I'm pretty sure you just can't have static
>>>> non-primitives. What are you trying to achieve?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Gonzalo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13.01.18 00:20, Atte wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been away for a long time and surprised that activity seems to
>>>>> have slowed down a lot, both on the development of new releases chuck and
>>>>> the life of this list. Am I looking at the wrong places? What's the status
>>>>> of chuck development now and in the future?
>>>>>
>>>>> I really like chuck (mostly the timing and sporking including
>>>>> Machine.add()), should I look other places for a language that will privide
>>>>> a more secure future? I'm on linux and looked at Csound, Super Collider and
>>>>> PD, each has it's challenges in how I work (realtime generative and
>>>>> algorithmic MIDI), python seems to have realtime problems (garbage
>>>>> collection at random points). Any idea what former chuck users have
>>>>> switched to now?
>>>>>
>>>>> Back to chuck! A problem that I never been able to solve, static
>>>>> strings:
>>>>>
>>>>> public class A {
>>>>>      "b" @=> static string B;
>>>>>
>>>>>      public static void C(){
>>>>>     <<<B>>>;
>>>>>      }
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> That throws an error, how would I go about what I'm trying to do?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
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