What i found so far is that Chuck is giving me pleasant results earlier, it has a limited set of stuff ( compared to SuperCollider ) In my personal case, the result was spending more time composing and playing than "understanding the possibilities". With SC is i felt was easier to get lost ( doing something probably unrelated but very interesting ) before start actually composing something. But that might be just the wrong example, and am not a good reference for focus :P About the way the timing happens on Chuck i do agree its very clear and fun and straight forward! Really impressive! Correct if am wrong, but AFAIK SuperCollider can also work in a similar way ( if not identical ) to chuck "time iteration" by using a "wait" message. respect, hems On 20 May 2012 21:55, Kassen wrote:

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:29:07PM +0200, Tomtom wrote:

...

Hello Carlo

I haven't tried myself, but I guess it is possible - at least with vim in a window and a shell in another. For something more integrated, I suggest you to read the following thread of discussion :

It's feasable, you can run code based on Vim hotkeys (of course) but with some quite minor changes all of the the Mini's options could be available. I'd like to look into it but other projects have a higher priority right now.

...

On the supercollider/chuck comparison - if you are looking at both right now I guess you are looking for informations on this subject too - I would say that supercollider is probably more powerful (more mature with a **lot** of things already existing), but chuck approach to audio programming is much easier to grasp (well, that's only my personal experience)

I agree in general; SC is far more mature. ChucK does shine in some speciffic cases; in my experience SC coders of a intermediate level can run into execution order problems that take a SC expert to resolve while in ChucK execution order should always be deterministic and is typically fairly easy to debug.

ChucK's other big strength is cases where there is a need to have code react to UGen output (stop playing after a zero-crossing, for example).

Generally there is a fair amount of things that are trivial in one and would be a huge headache in the other.

Which is easier to grasp seems to depend on the person, for every person who feels right at home with A and finds B arcane there will be somebody who feels the exact opposite, or so it seems. I don't think I have ever heard of anyone being fluent in both, but I saw quite a few cases of people into one admiring some aspect of the other a lot.

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2012/5/21 henrique matias :

what this ":ab fa / :ab fa1" means? is it some stupid conversion thing, or am i really missing this "syntax trick"?

ab is a Vi command, means "abbreviation": http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Using_abbreviations What I am really missing here is how to perform live coding. I mean, is there a way to make chuck evaluate a file WHILE I am typing it in vim? Cheers,

On 20 May 2012 21:29, Tomtom wrote:

...

Hello Carlo

I haven't tried myself, but I guess it is possible - at least with vim in a window and a shell in another. For something more integrated, I suggest you to read the following thread of discussion :

https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/pipermail/chuck-users/2011-November/006454.ht...

On the supercollider/chuck comparison - if you are looking at both right now I guess you are looking for informations on this subject too - I would say that supercollider is probably more powerful (more mature with a **lot** of things already existing), but chuck approach to audio programming is much easier to grasp (well, that's only my personal experience)

happy livecoding !

tom

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 08:36:01PM +0200, Carlo Ascani wrote:

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Hi all, I am Carlo, from Italy.

I would like to start studying a programming language for musical live coding purposes.

I am using Linux. I was looking at ChucK and Supercollider.

My question is: Is it possible to use Vim to perform live coding with Chuck ?

Cheers,

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2012/5/21 Renato Fabbri :

check out Vilson's (automata.cc) chuck scripts, we did exactly that. As far as I remember, he looped into a script's public class array attributes. I've seen it in a git repo (i think github) or sourceforge macambira AA (AudioArt). Vilson?

Ok, so IIUC it is possible only with third party script, right?

IMHO chuck is *the* livecoding language. The way code looks and the way it works, for now is what we have. Again, that is a personal opinion.

enjoy the vim script, it has most of the recipies you will want on it. I would like to see the one you'll come up with if any and if possible.

...

Cheers,

...

On 20 May 2012 21:29, Tomtom wrote:

...

Hello Carlo

I haven't tried myself, but I guess it is possible - at least with vim in a window and a shell in another. For something more integrated, I suggest you to read the following thread of discussion :

https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/pipermail/chuck-users/2011-November/006454.ht...

On the supercollider/chuck comparison - if you are looking at both right now I guess you are looking for informations on this subject too - I would say that supercollider is probably more powerful (more mature with a **lot** of things already existing), but chuck approach to audio programming is much easier to grasp (well, that's only my personal experience)

happy livecoding !

tom

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 08:36:01PM +0200, Carlo Ascani wrote:

...

Hi all, I am Carlo, from Italy.

I would like to start studying a programming language for musical live coding purposes.

I am using Linux. I was looking at ChucK and Supercollider.

My question is: Is it possible to use Vim to perform live coding with Chuck ?

Cheers,

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2012/5/21 Renato Fabbri :

no.

What do you want to sound like? What structures?

Condense them into arrays/lists of paramenters.

Make a public class that holds them.

Edit any of these parms int these arrays and spork shred again hurray

Aaaaaahn ok. I understand the theoretical concept here. I need to go deeply in ChucK to put that into practice. Thank you!

...

...

IMHO chuck is *the* livecoding language. The way code looks and the way it works, for now is what we have. Again, that is a personal opinion.

enjoy the vim script, it has most of the recipies you will want on it. I would like to see the one you'll come up with if any and if possible.

...

Cheers,

...

On 20 May 2012 21:29, Tomtom wrote:

...

Hello Carlo

I haven't tried myself, but I guess it is possible - at least with vim in a window and a shell in another. For something more integrated, I suggest you to read the following thread of discussion :

https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/pipermail/chuck-users/2011-November/006454.ht...

On the supercollider/chuck comparison - if you are looking at both right now I guess you are looking for informations on this subject too - I would say that supercollider is probably more powerful (more mature with a **lot** of things already existing), but chuck approach to audio programming is much easier to grasp (well, that's only my personal experience)

happy livecoding !

tom

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 08:36:01PM +0200, Carlo Ascani wrote: > Hi all, > I am Carlo, from Italy. > > I would like to start studying a programming language for musical > live > coding purposes. > > I am using Linux. > I was looking at ChucK and Supercollider. > > My question is: > Is it possible to use Vim to perform live coding with Chuck ? > > Cheers, > > -- > Carlo Ascani | www.carloratm.it > skype: carloratm > _______________________________________________ > chuck-users mailing list > chuck-users@lists.cs.princeton.edu > https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users _______________________________________________ chuck-users mailing list chuck-users@lists.cs.princeton.edu https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/mailman/listinfo/chuck-users

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hey chuckers!

more information about what Renato is pointing could be find here:

https://gist.github.com/1379142

execute gcoleman's tg.ck first, then foosp.ck and hack foo.ck live to
change durations, rate...

more refs about FooBarBaz (some interesting video screencasts from Renato
at end) here:

http://hera.ethymos.com.br:1080/reacpad/p/livecoding-virus

hope this help

cheers!

2012/5/21 henrique matias 

> didnt know this vim tricks! amazing
>
>
> On 21 May 2012 10:17, Carlo Ascani  wrote:
>
>> 2012/5/21 Renato Fabbri :
>> > no.
>> >
>> > What do you want to sound like? What structures?
>> >
>> > Condense them into arrays/lists of paramenters.
>> >
>> > Make a public class that holds them.
>> >
>> > Edit any of these parms int these arrays and spork shred again hurray
>>
>> Aaaaaahn ok.
>> I understand the theoretical concept here.
>>
>> I need to go deeply in ChucK to put that into practice.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > IMHO chuck is *the* livecoding language. The way code looks and
>> >> > the way it works, for now is what we have. Again, that is a personal
>> >> > opinion.
>> >> >
>> >> > enjoy the vim script, it has most of the recipies you will want on
>> it. I
>> >> > would like
>> >> > to see the one you'll come up with if any and if possible.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 20 May 2012 21:29, Tomtom  wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hello Carlo
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I haven't tried myself, but I guess it is possible - at least
>> with
>> >> >> >> vim
>> >> >> >> in a window and a shell in another. For something more
>> integrated, I
>> >> >> >> suggest you to read the following thread of discussion :
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> https://lists.cs.princeton.edu/pipermail/chuck-users/2011-November/006454.html
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On the supercollider/chuck comparison - if you are looking at
>> both
>> >> >> >> right
>> >> >> >> now I guess you are looking for informations on this subject too
>> - I
>> >> >> >> would say that supercollider is probably more powerful (more
>> mature
>> >> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> a **lot** of things already existing), but chuck approach to
>> audio
>> >> >> >> programming is much easier to grasp (well, that's only my
>> personal
>> >> >> >> experience)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> happy livecoding !
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> tom
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 08:36:01PM +0200, Carlo Ascani wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >> >> > I am Carlo, from Italy.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I would like to start studying a programming language for
>> musical
>> >> >> >> > live
>> >> >> >> > coding purposes.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I am using Linux.
>> >> >> >> > I was looking at ChucK and Supercollider.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > My question is:
>> >> >> >> > Is it possible to use Vim to perform live coding with Chuck ?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Cheers,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> > Carlo Ascani | www.carloratm.it
>> >> >> >> > skype: carloratm
>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> > chuck-users mailing list
>> >> >> >> > chuck-users@lists.cs.princeton.edu
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>> >> >
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